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Proof?

any drug that passes your blood-brain barrier has an effect on your reward pathways. they "REALLY" don't? care to have some substance to your argument, or i guess you prefer sounding twelve when you have no proof to your assertion.

or no, they really don't have the "Same" effect....ohhh... even "better". considering i was referring as the "Same effect" as "an effect" as opposed to "no effect".

oh boy, the results here are fascinating... appears addiction is quite a touchy issue, considering most people (here, i bet, even more then the usual) can't comprehend where they are even coming from with not only their drug use, but too, their compulsions to ascertain my arguments with pragmatic tangential preferences for beliefs.

awesome. now again, care to actually prove that your reward center doesn't get effected? it really doesn't matter HOW and TO WHAT REGARD they are effected, considering (for fucks sakes) that i am not talking bout heroin or what drugs do what.

i am talking about the effects on your reward center, from... ANYTHING. CANNABIS being the primer for this argument. not fucking HEROIN. HEROIN is a hard fucking topic because of the stigma attached and the fact that it is one of the more POTENT drugs around... it's not REALLY NECESSARY in this thread. but since it's INSISTED, i concur that... this thread is still on track.

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eNtranceAsexit said:
have the same effect on the reward centers in your brain

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Seems you have some reading comprehension issues.  Where did I make the argument drugs passing through the blood-brain barrier don't interact with the reward pathway?  I argued that their interactions are not the same.

I agree, it can be difficult to have any serious conversation when you won't even properly read and interpret the responses.

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eNtranceAsexit said:
have the same effect on the reward centers in your brain

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Seems you have some reading comprehension issues.  Where did I make the argument drugs passing through the blood-brain barrier don't interact with the reward pathway?  I argued that their interactions are not the same.

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and you need read again and again... i never said that the interactions were the same... you did... i said that... "in your brain... there is a thing called a reward center... when your brain's BBB (or blood-brain barrier for the 5th fucking time i have to say that phrase) has a bioavailable substance pass through it... it effects your reward and pleasure centers."


I NEVER SAID HOW.... GO AND READ AND PROVE THAT I EVEN MENTIONED HOW DRUG INTERACT INDEPENDANTLY.

GO AND READ IT AND TELL ME.

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I agree, it can be difficult to have any serious conversation when you won't even properly read and interpret the responses.

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i like to be a smart-ass too... but i have a goddamn clue about who said what. unlike some people... still waiting for you to show me where i generalize that all drugs have the same interactions with your brains reward center. i said, using WORDS, that the effect is the same as in "ALL DRUGS HAVE AN EFFECT" NOT AS IN "ALL DRUGS HAVE THE SAME EFFECT AS ONE ANOTHER" NO I SAID, "ALL DRUGS WILL HAVE AN EFFECT AND THERE ISN'T A DRUG THAT DOESN'T.


GO FUCK-A-DUCK, if you want be a semantic prick.

You said that all drugs affect the reward pathway in the same way, which they don't.  I don't know what to tell you if you don't understand that.

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eNtranceAsexit said:
i said, using WORDS, that the effect is the same as in "ALL DRUGS HAVE AN EFFECT" NOT AS IN "ALL DRUGS HAVE THE SAME EFFECT AS ONE ANOTHER" NO I SAID, "ALL DRUGS WILL HAVE AN EFFECT AND THERE ISN'T A DRUG THAT DOESN'T.

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eNtranceAsexit said:
all drugs that effect your dopaminergic nervous system pathways (which is... all drugs that pass through your blood-brain barrier) have the same effect on the reward centers in your brain... and if you like it, you tend to want to do whatever it is, again.

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Perhaps you should say what you mean.  If you meant to say that all drugs affect the reward pathway then you shouldn't go on to say they have the same effect on the reward pathway.

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all drugs that effect your dopaminergic nervous system pathways (which is... all drugs that pass through your blood-brain barrier) have the same effect on the reward centers in your brain... and if you like it, you tend to want to do whatever it is, again.

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how good of you to avoid the context... here hold on sec

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or no, they really don't have the "Same" effect....ohhh... even "better". considering i was referring as the "Same effect" as "an effect" as opposed to "no effect".

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A7X said:
I know people who would go as far as sexual favors for weed.

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not condoning the effectiveness of the habit forming reward centers of your brain... but, there ya go... if you can suck dick for weed... proof that you can suck dick for almost anything...



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what was the argument about again?

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or no, they really don't have the "Same" effect....ohhh... even "better". considering i was referring as the "Same effect" as "an effect" as opposed to "no effect".

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here ya go, friend... context. i was explaining that anything that crosses your dopaminergic pathways... which can mainly be comprised of drugs... WILL HAVE AN EFFECT. AN EFFECT = being the same effect as having an effect as opposed to having no effect.

pragmatism doesn't sit well with me... it makes people look like know it alls. but oh well, you wanted prove... here ya go... if you still can't grasp the words i was using then i'll simplify it...

the effect that is the same, is the FACT that the effect is there as opposed to not... AND NOT THE EFFECT OF THE DRUG.

i am talking about anything ... not just recreational drugs... no, that subject just fills a large hole... maybe that generalization is confusing?

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or no, they really don't have the "Same" effect....ohhh... even "better". considering i was referring as the "Same effect" as "an effect" as opposed to "no effect".

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here ya go, friend... context. i was explaining that anything that crosses your dopaminergic pathways... which can mainly be comprised of drugs... WILL HAVE AN EFFECT. AN EFFECT = being the same effect as having an effect as opposed to having no effect.

pragmatism doesn't sit well with me... it makes people look like know it alls. but oh well, you wanted prove... here ya go... if you still can't grasp the words i was using then i'll simplify it...

the effect that is the same, is the FACT that the effect is there as opposed to not... AND NOT THE EFFECT OF THE DRUG.

i am talking about anything ... not just recreational drugs... no, that subject just fills a large hole... maybe that generalization is confusing?

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If you give the context after the fact then you can't blame anyone but yourself for misinterpreting what you mean.

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i didn't blame you? you suggested it... not me.

so this a public forum where the context doesn't always apply the last person who posted? who would have guessed, right?

consider that i wasn't even talking to you... and you didn't see the subtext of what i was saying to a complete random stranger to you. and you being a stranger yourself, to me, of course i'd only give you context out of turn... and this isn't even about words... this is about how i said one thing and you took it out context and then bashed me for nothing... i called you a tard, and told you the context of the circumstances around me SAYING WHAT I SAID AND WHY, and you continued to blather on and on about what i HAD said and not what i was telling you i meant... which you now understand and you just wannna just troll me to death mmm? don't you?
lose much?

for the record... for any dumbass who thinks this is about drug use in general.

i am not condoning drug use.
read the thread.
man, i am going to get alot of flak for speaking my mind aren't i? (figures )
the thread is about how anything can cause an addiction, if anything. you guys turned it into heroin and semantics, but it's just what i could expect from a bunch of hive-minded hippies. nawww.... just kidding... i just think you all took this thread the wrong way. i never said that drugs didn't cause addictions... and that's how some of you took it. read the thread again, if you want the proof.. it's in the pudding.

never uttered the words once...

and again, painful thanks to tangerines and spacemonkey and... wait there was one more... i didn't even reply to =(

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numonk said:
No shit.

But you just defined marijuana to be addictive, as those who are addicted to it.

And, actually, not all habits are addictive. There are plenty of socially-analyzed data on such things.



~Monk

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my thread title? it was a play on words, and it was satire.

oh yeah, and also... i know that not all habits are addictive, but all habits are habitual. right?

and thanks bats for participating, but a semantic argument about what drugs do in the brain? i already know this... you don't need to tell me. i know that all drugs do different things, i've read substantially on all the drugs i've tried and their relatives. it was a semantic argument, and totally frivolous.

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