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 Re: Protesting military funerals  [Re: Tangerines]
#487086 - 10/11/10 10:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Then again they are probably a reptilian front organization solely in existence to help slowly strip away our rights by "exercising" "our" rights in such a way that the majority of people would like the "right" to be removed so they no longer get butthurt over sign wielding fucks.
Exactly 
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This is a bump! The supreme court ruled on this today. It turns out, we still have free speech, no matter how vile it may be. Unless you ask this freedom hater named Samuel Alito. he was the only dissenter in the 8-1 vote.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20038319-504083.html
anyone upset or surprised about this decision?
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#532212 - 03/02/11 11:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good news.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day. 
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#532241 - 03/02/11 01:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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To be honest I am rather upset, I don't think it is anyone's right to protest someones funeral. Provisions on free speech should be allowed for specific situations alone, although IMO that would be an amendment to the constitution.
Although since this is up held I will feel free to protest fred phelps funeral.
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free speech is free speech no matter what. Start making "provisions" in this case then what stops them from making "provisions" in times or war? Or "provisions" during elections etc. All or nothing.
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: Tangerines]
#532267 - 03/02/11 02:28 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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As long as the display is on public land, and they're tax paying citizens there exists no problem in my eyes.
And indeed during WW2 there were provisions set up by the House Of Un-American Activities Committee controlling anti-war rhetoric.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
Edited by THEBats (03/02/11 02:29 PM)
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#532274 - 03/02/11 02:42 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll admit that I absolutely loathe the fuckers that protest military funerals, but I've accepted that stripping them of their First Amendment rights might as well be the same as stripping everyone of their rights.
It sucks, but I guess you just gotta hope that karma or something steps in and gives them what they deserve. 
That, or step in and return the favor whenever they die. 
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: Tangerines]
#532289 - 03/02/11 03:05 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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free speech is free speech no matter what. Start making "provisions" in this case then what stops them from making "provisions" in times or war? Or "provisions" during elections etc. All or nothing.
I was going to write a comment, but then I saw it was already posted. 
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: Tangerines]
#532297 - 03/02/11 03:27 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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free speech is free speech no matter what. Start making "provisions" in this case then what stops them from making "provisions" in times or war? Or "provisions" during elections etc. All or nothing.
QFT
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: Tangerines]
#532326 - 03/02/11 04:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Start making "provisions" in this case then what stops them from making "provisions" in times or war? Or "provisions" during elections etc.
Well for one, as I said. An amendment to the constitution being needed stops them. And it isn't like there hasn't been censorship in the past during wars, and they haven't gradually gotten rid of them all. So there is one hole poked in your logic, which is by the way the slippery slope fallacy.
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but like I said whatever, I don't care really. I will tell you at least one of my friends who were in Vietnam are pissed off by that decision. And In my opinion those affected by the problem in the system is who's opinion most matters. This has a great amount of support with it, it doesn't surprise me the court said nothing though. They rule on the constitution, and they can't be legislating from the bench because that pisses people off.
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Still doesn't give them the right to strip away free speech to law abiding citizens. That is even more fucked up than protesting a vets funeral. Lady justice has no emotions.
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Ultimately the same argument against them can be used against marijuana supporters. There's plenty of people who find that offensive to their children and way of life who would love to see restrictions on it.
Obviously phelps is more universally offensive, yet the definition of offensive obviously varies, from individual to individual, and generation to generation. This is why there can be no provisions except on location of the protest, not on the delivery or content of the speech itself.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
Edited by THEBats (03/02/11 04:55 PM)
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: Tangerines]
#532334 - 03/02/11 04:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Still doesn't give them the right to strip away free speech to law abiding citizens. That is even more fucked up than protesting a vets funeral. Lady justice has no emotions.
Well, actually. According to the constitution they do have a right. They can pass an amendment, so in fact they have the right to pass any amendment they want.
btw turns out its not really a slippery slope one. Was told it was different than it really was.
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Our right to free speech itself is an amendment designed to further ingrain these rights as our founding fathers felt the constitution wasn't specific/clear enough along with the other first ten amendments, also called the bill of rights.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#532340 - 03/02/11 05:05 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ultimately the same argument against them can be used against marijuana supporters. There's plenty of people who find that offensive to their children and way of life who would love to see restrictions on it.
Obviously phelps is more universally offensive, yet the definition of offensive obviously varies, from individual to individual, and generation to generation. This is why there can be no provisions except on location of the protest, not on the delivery or content of the speech itself.
O.O
Not really.
Smoking weed isn't deliberately offensive, protesting military funerals with signs that say "god hates fags" is deliberately offensive. Being offensive on purpose, for no beneficial reasons, is fucked up.
He knows it is offensive, that is his reason to do it. He is a giant Troll.
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THEBats said:
Ultimately the same argument against them can be used against marijuana supporters. There's plenty of people who find that offensive to their children and way of life who would love to see restrictions on it.
Obviously phelps is more universally offensive, yet the definition of offensive obviously varies, from individual to individual, and generation to generation. This is why there can be no provisions except on location of the protest, not on the delivery or content of the speech itself.
O.O
Not really.
Smoking weed isn't deliberately offensive, protesting military funerals with signs that say "god hates fags" is deliberately offensive. Being offensive on purpose, for no beneficial reasons, is fucked up.
He knows it is offensive, that is his reason to do it. He is a giant Troll.
Good bye south park, family guy; hell a whole lot of comedic television.
Also they believe there are beneficial reasons to their offensives, it does serve purpose in their eyes.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
Edited by THEBats (03/02/11 05:08 PM)
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#532344 - 03/02/11 05:10 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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If something hurts someones feelings, let's just ban it. It is safer that way.
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#532345 - 03/02/11 05:10 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also they believe there are beneficial reasons to their offensives, it does serve purpose in their eyes.
people have different perceptions of right and wrong? Nah man that ain't right.
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#532347 - 03/02/11 05:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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