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 Annom
 
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 Re: From Seeds to Mother  [Re: coda]
#47808 - 06/01/08 11:30 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the problem is that he didn't add any nutes to the water. The plants showed the same symptoms as before (the yellow leaves) and were totally limp (hanging leaves and tops).
I didn't have time to take pics, but I did give them water with nutes (they needed water anyway). They look healthy again now, except for some more yellow leaves.
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 coda
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
#48064 - 06/01/08 04:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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indeed, and since you're growing in basically a soiless mixture, nutes are kind of important 
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Annom
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
#48801 - 06/02/08 10:38 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edited by Annom (06/02/08 10:45 AM)
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MFDoom666
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
#48809 - 06/02/08 10:48 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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dang i've been waiting to see these.
very nice.
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Yrat
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: MFDoom666]
#48837 - 06/02/08 11:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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god damn those look healthy
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coda
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
#48839 - 06/02/08 11:58 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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this picture the yellowing looks like an N def.
these two pictures show sign of a Mg def.
Weird.
Either or, the rest of the plants growth looks awesome! I really wouldn't worry about the yellowing all too much. Just keep an eye on it and if it begins to spread in the lower growth you'll know to bump up the strength of your nutes.
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Annom
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: coda]
#48980 - 06/02/08 02:19 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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The recent yellowing happened in two days, when no nutes were added to the water. It's stable now as far as I can tell. The first yellowing also happened in two few days and stopped when I added normal nutes. I think it won't happen again as long as I give them the food they need.
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
#48982 - 06/02/08 02:24 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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yah, im sure you'll be ok.
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: coda]
#49084 - 06/02/08 03:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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lookingood
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Annom
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
#52333 - 06/06/08 10:08 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm thinking about making clones from the (main) tops to determine sex, as soon as possible. I have everything ready to clone so I could start today. I want to top the females anyway because they need to become bushy and produce more clones in the future and I want to get rid of the males because it's getting crowded with 9 plants in the small mother box.
I could also try to determine sex by the preflowers that are starting to become visible.
Any ideas/comments?
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
#52340 - 06/06/08 10:16 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the preflowers are starting to become visible, wouldn't sex start to become apparent soon anyways?
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
#52344 - 06/06/08 10:18 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i took clones of the tops of three of my plants to determine sex and and that worked for me plus you top the plant as you said.
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Annom
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Sirius]
#52350 - 06/06/08 10:26 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the preflowers are starting to become visible, wouldn't sex start to become apparent soon anyways?
I don't know. Let me know if you know 
Here is what some preflowers look like now, some plants don't yet show anything though:
I can't say anything about the sex from that yet, but I've never done this before.
I may change from 24/0 to 18/6 since it may help the preflower development.
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Yrat
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
#52378 - 06/06/08 11:16 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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my bet from that pic is on female
still early tho, another week an you'll know 100%
you can see some trics i think, along the stem right at the node
awesome pic, what kind of camera do u have?
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Annom
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
#52379 - 06/06/08 11:17 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks, I'll start waiting 
Males don't produce any form of trichs?
I have a Canon powershot A720IS and I know that enough light is important when making pics.
Edited by Annom (06/06/08 11:19 AM)
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
#52381 - 06/06/08 11:25 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i would think higher quality males would produce trichomes, but i've never let them get that far into life
i'm sure it's one of the characteristics looked for when breeding and making serious crosses.
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"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
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Sirius
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
#52439 - 06/06/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Annom said:
I don't know. Let me know if you know
I'm not sure how long it takes exactly from when they start to appear before the point that they are developed enough for it to be easy to tell the sex, but I'd have to think that the amount of time would be quicker than it would take to tell from taking clones, since the clones would have to develop them as well and would take that same amount of time.
Those definitely look like healthy plants! How long until you will flower them?
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I may change from 24/0 to 18/6 since it may help the preflower development.
I don't know about assisting that development of the preflowers, but gearing down the light like that before switching to 12/12 is probably a good idea to help prevent shock to the plants, although I don't know that it would be too much shock to take them straight to 12/12 anyways... 
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
#52440 - 06/06/08 12:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yrat said:
i would think higher quality males would produce trichomes, but i've never let them get that far into life
Yup, I think its a trait looked for when breeding.
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Annom
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Sirius]
#52449 - 06/06/08 01:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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How long until you will flower them?
I do not plan to flower them. One or two of them will hopefully become mothers who are going to provide us with clones. The mother(s) will always stay in vegetative growth. I only need to determine sex so the females can have more space to grow. I'll gradually kill some females when they don't produce the best clones, these clones will be "tested" in my normal flowering box. That's the long term plan.
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although I don't know that it would be too much shock to take them straight to 12/12 anyways...
I'm skeptic about applying things like "stress" and "shock" to plants. I'm sure there are optimal conditions, but those can only be found by experiment or logic complex biological reasoning, not by using human analogues. I'm willing to accept it if someone has some good evidence though. There has to be a logic meaning of plant "stress".
I've never seen "stress" in my plants when going from 18/6 to 12/12. I'll give them some Valium next time I water them, just in case. 
Someone on a dutch forum told me that my plants would be in complete shock and stress when temperatures dropped below 15C (60F) with the lights off. I had temperatures, with lights off, below 12C (54F) during at least two weeks (due to some construction work). It was the best grow so far, almost 1g/W.
Edited by Annom (06/06/08 01:30 PM)
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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Sirius]
#52450 - 06/06/08 01:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Males don't produce any form of trichs?
It's an uncommon trait but males can produce resin glands.
From your pic i would say that is a female preflower. Male preflowers tend to have a small stalk that raises the flower above the stem. Yours doesn't seem to have that stalk. However the little white hair is the only way to know for sure
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