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 FurrowedBrow
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 I love cannabis! How much do you love it? 
#522468 - 02/02/11 07:09 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tell me how much you love this plant. By that I mean tell me experiences of all sorts that involve the sticky green. What have you done for it? What has it done for you? Are you going to be a life long stoner?
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 RasJeph
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FurrowedBrow] 3
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Cannabis has helped me to meet some of the best people that have ever come into my life. It has helped me connect with the friends I already had on a completely different level. It has given me a hobby and something to be good at.
It sounds terrible to say, but I'm really good with weed. I mean, not NEARLY as good as some of you, but I consider myself quite the pro on various things about weed. I'm not so familiar with the many, many growing techniques, but I'm learning! I know lots of the science behind being high, I know lots about different kinds of smoking devices, I know how to do various extractions and cook with them. I'm learning about the different strains and origins of the plant (thank you Magash!) I could keep going, but I don't wanna write a big paragraph.
All in all, herb is one of the number one things in my life. Obviously family and friends come first. I count my dog in as a family and a friend, as well as my other pets...but ganja is a number 3. Or, number 2 if I combine friends and family, kinda the same.
Its such a shame, because legally, I'm a criminal for all that I do with weed. I'm not fucking up the economy (see: selling drugs) I'm not handing it out to school children. I'm not driving around intoxicated. I'm keeping it for myself and my close friends...and its something I'm damn good at.
Fucking law.
Sorry for the wall of text and scrambled up thought pattern...I'm real high 
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: RasJeph] 1
#522478 - 02/02/11 07:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I also love cannabis 
For a few reasons:
1) it relax me
2) makes me sleep like a baby and can enhance my dreams
3) makes me more creative
4) makes me lol at the primitiveness of most people hence not get bothered when they intimidate me
5) the whole anti-cancer thing is the icing on the cake!
Thank you Mary Jane 
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Running everywhere at such a speed
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: RasJeph]
#522484 - 02/02/11 08:22 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cannabis has helped me to meet some of the best people that have ever come into my life. It has helped me connect with the friends I already had on a completely different level. It has given me a hobby and something to be good at.
Whats not to love haha.But seriously, theres just so much to it,how about the fact of how many things can be done with this BEAUTIFUL plant!
Ol' sweet mary!
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: BeekEr]
#522485 - 02/02/11 08:23 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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weed gets me high and i love being high.
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They should teach african engineering at the college level. mcgyver 101
Harry_Ba11sach said:
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: MFDoom666]
#522488 - 02/02/11 08:36 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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i love this plant, it has been with me through the best and worst of times, and has given me so much in life.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: iStoner]
#522490 - 02/02/11 08:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mary Jane and I have an open relationship.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: drawde]
#522493 - 02/02/11 08:50 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Weed is a fantastic thing. It's not only used worldwide, its been used since ancient times which makes it so much more great. I'm mostly Cherokee, so I find it as a decent way to connect with my ancestry. It opens my mind to things, like seeing through how judgemental my family can be. I've found myself by using it. It's put me through hell with some brutal existential panic attacks and also lifted me up so high I never wanted it to end. It is truly a wonderful plant.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#522494 - 02/02/11 08:51 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its pretty gnar, I guess. I've smoked it, its made me high and stuff.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#522510 - 02/02/11 09:29 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its pretty gnar, I guess. I've smoked it, its made me high and stuff.
lol
I wouldn't say i love it, but i do really like it. i don't really see myself smoking regularly forever though. 
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: meatcakeman]
#522526 - 02/02/11 10:30 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I tastes good. In my mouth.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: Far Stox]
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: Ombient]
#522532 - 02/02/11 11:07 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Weed keeps me out of a clocktower with a rifle 
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#522584 - 02/03/11 01:44 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Running everywhere at such a speed
Till they find, there's no need"
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#522606 - 02/03/11 05:32 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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The only reason I can't bring myself to quit smoking weed is: I'm in love with Mary Jane.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#522607 - 02/03/11 05:36 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Weed keeps me out of a clocktower with a rifle
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“You see this glass bong?” asks Achaan Chaa, the Thai meditation master. “For me this glass is already broken. I enjoy it; I smoke out of it. It holds my water admirably, sometimes even reflecting the sun in beautiful patterns. If I should tap it, it has a lovely ring to it. But when I put this glass bong on the shelf and the wind knocks it over or my elbow brushes it off the table and it falls to the ground and shatters, I say, ‘Of course.’ When I understand that the glass is already broken, every moment with it is precious.”[/quote]
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: meatcakeman]
#522618 - 02/03/11 07:15 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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MFDoom666 said:
weed gets me high and i love being high.
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Its pretty gnar, I guess. I've smoked it, its made me high and stuff.
lol
I wouldn't say i love it, but i do really like it. i don't really see myself smoking regularly forever though.
This. Some people like to form religions around this plant, but I just lol
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: King Koopa]
#522621 - 02/03/11 07:34 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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i only "love" this THC so much because without it, i'd be liable to be some selfish dork strangling bitches and neglecting my subjective duties trying to make objective choices that don't ring out into the world unless i help humans either become: dumber and/or more utilitarian.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: Ombient]
#522633 - 02/03/11 08:18 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#522646 - 02/03/11 09:40 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Weed keeps me out of a clocktower with a rifle
then  for bud!
KB to me:
I haven't always liked MJ. I used to sell it for a mexican cartel, even though I am a straight up white boy, and rarely smoked it (X and coke were my choice of drugs then). I live in the midwest and I used to pick it up in Tuscon and drive it back to here. I would mule and sell 40 lbs. a month, until a 3 lb deal got me shot in the back, in March of 2005. I died on the way to the hospital, only to be revived in the ER. I have endured almost 40 surgeries to keep me alive and breathing.
I just started enjoying bud in June of 2009. I love MJ now because my spirit and psyche are completely removed from where I was then. I am more liberated and open to the eternal aspects of life. As a result of my short time of death, I experienced GOD/Jesus. It was incredible and life-changing in every way. I am a Christian who uses MJ occasionally to separate my conscience/fleshly being from my spiritual being so I can experience a new and different level of eternal contemplation.
Sorry for the rambling, but this post incited my thoughts to stream on bud and what it does for me.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: King Koopa] 2
#522653 - 02/03/11 10:20 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some people like to form religions around this plant, but I just lol
Religion has been built around dumber shit .
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: RasJeph]
#522689 - 02/03/11 01:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Msybe I love cannabis a little TOO much, if I ever realize that that really is the case.. I'll try my best to convince myself that there's no such thing as loving cannabis "too much"
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Some people like to form religions around this plant, but I just lol
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: RasJeph]
#522691 - 02/03/11 01:19 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm like Ras I'm really good with weed and all it's different aspects all my friends and people close to me say that if I worked as hard in college and had as much knowledge as I do on weed/growing/chemistry/biology I could keep and easy 4.0 the entire way through.
And I really have to much to write about when it comes to weed, it's part of mine and my friends lives. Like it isn't the main focus like it is for some people because its just part of it (if that makes any sense to people). We (friends) are an adventurous group so we're always taking trips together going places doin thangs exploring inventing crazy things with crazy people always. I got lucky and have made a few life long friends at a pretty young age and I would credit it to weed. And weed has also been apart of the life long memories and crazy things
we've done and it will undoubtedly be in the many more to come.
Wow I could keep going but I'ma stop now.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#522749 - 02/03/11 03:42 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I also love cannabis! What a weird coincidence!
It makes me happy, it's good for me, it relaxes my mind and tummy, it inspires my creativity, it is a green goddess of love. It has helped me make beautiful friends and be more open minded and peaceful.
What I have done for it? Done what I can to help spread it's loving message and erase negative stereotypes.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FRACTALife]
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#522754 - 02/03/11 03:48 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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weed weed is good indeed.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#522755 - 02/03/11 03:49 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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It relaxes my LOL reflex, making for very inappropriate moments when I laugh at people before they even know WTF happened.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: DungenessDank]
#522763 - 02/03/11 04:05 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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It relaxes my LOL reflex, making for very inappropriate moments when I laugh at people before they even know WTF happened.
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: Tangerines]
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FurrowedBrow said:
They should teach african engineering at the college level. mcgyver 101
Harry_Ba11sach said:
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: MFDoom666]
#522870 - 02/03/11 07:36 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I love smoking a bowl, sitting in my lazy boy recliner and watchin some TV. Makes me happy.
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I love the weed.
Stoned since 1969 
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Sir Smokes A-Lot
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: KaptKid]
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Stoned since 1969
An original hippy 
I'll have a bong for you sir
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I don't mind, I think they're crazy
Running everywhere at such a speed
Till they find, there's no need"
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: Sir Smokes A-Lot]
#523005 - 02/03/11 11:41 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did you go to Woodstock?
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: Sir Smokes A-Lot]
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I love weed because it has been with me since about march 2010 and helped me through a rough time with some evil women. I draw and sculpt when im high, I play instruments and solve differential equations with ease when i'm high. I also love to run but when i run my appetite goes to shit and i lose weight until i have to stop running, thanks to THC-induced muchies i can run continuously without worrying about losing too much weight. I also just love the relaxation and deep restful sleep associated with weed. As soon as I graduate I want to get a job in CO or northern CA to the weed mecha. I, like RasJeph, am really good and knowledgeable when it comes to weed, and I love the people that are involved in this culture, my current gf is a newly-crowned stoner chick and I love her to death. My life is awesome thanks to weed 
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: Data]
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I love weed because it has been with me since about march 2010 and helped me through a rough time with some evil women. I draw and sculpt when im high, I play instruments and solve differential equations with ease when i'm high. I also love to run but when i run my appetite goes to shit and i lose weight until i have to stop running, thanks to THC-induced muchies i can run continuously without worrying about losing too much weight. I also just love the relaxation and deep restful sleep associated with weed. As soon as I graduate I want to get a job in CO or northern CA to the weed mecha. I, like RasJeph, am really good and knowledgeable when it comes to weed, and I love the people that are involved in this culture, my current gf is a newly-crowned stoner chick and I love her to death. My life is awesome thanks to weed
good stuff
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
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I think the only problem i have with this 'culture' is that it just seems like everyone i talk with about weed seems to think they know everything about it. yet there are obvious gaps in their knowledge. Then we talk about hairon or something and they completely demonize it. ugh, that makes me mad. It's a great thing to help others erase their ignorance and media informed stereotypes.
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DungenessDank
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
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People are quick to come to conclusions about drugs, even though because of their legal status we have no scientific answers to some of the biggest questions about them.
Like you said, ignorance.
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FarBeyondDriven
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
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I think the only problem i have with this 'culture' is that it just seems like everyone i talk with about weed seems to think they know everything about it. yet there are obvious gaps in their knowledge. Then we talk about hairon or something and they completely demonize it. ugh, that makes me mad. It's a great thing to help others erase their ignorance and media informed stereotypes.
I agree 100%.
I'll be the first to admit I probably don't know every scientific fact about cannabis. I know some, but not all. I do know it makes me hungry, settles my stomach when it's messed up, helps me get to sleep better(even though i still wake up every fucking hour  ), and generally puts me in a good mood, and helps with focus sometimes, doesn't cause physical dependence, and is relatively cheap, and that outweighs the damage it does to your body, which is relatively little compared to it's benefits imo.
And demonizing other drugs when they hear the name is ridiculous. I believe every drug can be used recreationally, once in a while type things. It comes down to the person and their mindset in my humble opinion. I mean, I've done heroin a couple times and I though it was great myself, except for the puking that time I didn't turn into a daily addict though, and I have a friend who's the same way. He's got a couple drugs he does recreationally, but it's not like a "I gotta have it" type thing. He might do a line of coke once in a blue moon, or a line of heroin once in a blue moon, but he won't do it again for 6 months and he's been that way for a LONG time. Know what I mean? I think it comes down to the person. And furthermore, I think heroin could be used for a medical purpose, I mean OC's are the same fuckin thing imo. Heroin used to be used in the medical field I think actually, until the world went to shit. The problem is, once again in my humble opinion, that not everybody can handle drugs. Most people WILL turn into addicts. Not everyone has the mindset to say, "Ok, I can't do this shit everyday, it'll fuck my life up." And that goes for cocaine, heroin, fuckin crack, speed, whatever. Just my humble opinion once again. I probably sounded like a junkie in this post, but I promise ya'll I'm not. I don't do heroin, coke or anything besides weed. A beer or two ONCE in a while, and that's rare. Used to get fucked up in my teenage years though
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Re: I love cannabis! How much do you love it? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#523194 - 02/04/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I'd agree with that and you don't sound (that much) like a junkie. You're right on in saying not everyone can handle drugs. Psychedelics certainly aren't for everyone, neither is pot. They are for most people i associate with however. another thing that irks me about all this is that I have to really try hard to convince some people that it's their own right to put whatever they want into their body. They always cite societal harms and devastated families and what not. idk, im just going to stop now before i extend that rant.
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