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I got "cultural beliefs" from "cultural operating system."
You fellas got so sidetracked. THEBats just asked for some of Edgar Cacye's predictions so i told him some.
Now i'm getting in trouble for his predictions? Stop now
-------------------- "Everybody seems to think I'm lazy
I don't mind, I think they're crazy
Running everywhere at such a speed
Till they find, there's no need"
Beatles song
Quote: THEBats said: The problem with all that is the lack of tangible evidence. Psychedelic drugs have a profound effect on the mind, but many people get locked into delusions surrounding their experiences with them.
I guess anyone can believe what they want but, if I say I can fly most people would want to see me fly, not explain to them how I know I can fly.
That said I do think we are all connected, but it's in no way spiritual. In other words string theory.
Either way I think we can both agree the mind is an amazing organ.
I'm curious what predictions has he made, and were they only connected after the fact, or was there certainty to them? The problem I have with "predictions" is that they only connect the dots and interpret meaning after the prediction takes place. Vagueness can create an illusion of precognition.
Empirical evidence is tangible evidence, and observation through experience is the definition of empiricism. You can form logical constructs outside of physical experience. Case in point- mathematics, as well as Einstein's famous 'thought experiments'. True, some people go into delusions, but others also resist the truly phenomenal. There is definitely more to the human experience than these three or even four dimension, and I believe psychedelic drugs allow our senses to perceive more than they are normally capable of. Or rather, allows our mind to process information from the senses that it usually just ignores.
Spiritual is just a word to describe something very hard to explain. You call it string theory, others have no knowledge of theoretical physics and call the connection something else. I don't have any idea how to describe what I feel. I just know there's some weird shit going on out there and we're a lot closer than we think we are.
The mind is not an organ. The brain is an organ; a collective tissue with a specific purpose.. do you think that the mind is entirely contained within the brain? That every thought, whim, and emotion in your head is caused by a series of chemical balances and reactions? The very action of producing (entirely nonphysical) thought.. just proteins ?
I do believe the mind is contained within the brain, but yes you are correct, and is what I meant when I said the mind is a fascinating organ. The brain is the organ, the mind is rather the complex networking of neurons and their interactions with one another. Direct physical changes will effect the way you think. Specific areas of the brain become active when performing certain tasks, we can isolate their specific function.
Also I've had very spiritual trips, but I'm a skeptic and remain very cautious to my mind getting misconstrued by these experiences.
And while the experience is tangible/empirical the interpretation is not. It's almost akin to dream interpretation, which in my opinion is mostly subjective bs.
And as far as those predictions, well...
Quote: mellowfellow said: Maybe everything should be taken with a grain of salt.
This thread got a little sidetracked.
-------------------- kickin-two-hundo said: you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
I interpreted your previous post's message as "don't take any of that crap seriously". You saying "Um..." at the start sure did give your messaqge a sarcastic tone.
I just wanted to remind you to be open-minded. It's better, trust me
I'm pretty sure being open minded is what's inferred by:
Quote: mellowfellow said: Maybe everything should be taken with a grain of salt.
Quote: Sir Smokes A-Lot said: You fellas got so sidetracked. THEBats just asked for some of Edgar Cacye's predictions so i told him some.
Now i'm getting in trouble for his predictions? Stop now
My bad man, for real though. I just see flaws in an argument and I have a tendency to jump on it. It's not personal to you, I just really enjoy exchanging ideas, and a bit of healthy debate is usually helpful.
-------------------- "Everybody seems to think I'm lazy
I don't mind, I think they're crazy
Running everywhere at such a speed
Till they find, there's no need"
Beatles song
Quote: THEBats said: I do believe the mind is contained within the brain, but yes you are correct, and is what I meant when I said the mind is a fascinating organ. The brain is the organ, the mind is rather the complex networking of neurons and their interactions with one another. Direct physical changes will effect the way you think. Specific areas of the brain become active when performing certain tasks, we can isolate their specific function.
Also I've had very spiritual trips, but I'm a skeptic and remain very cautious to my mind getting misconstrued by these experiences.
That relationship and network between neurons is maintained by electrical impulses, the firing of synapses. It's the electromagnetic field created by all of these impulses which provides the perception of a mind. That electromagnetic field is a cloud of energy, and that field isn't necessarily localized within the body. Dozens and dozens of studies have proven, almost beyond the shadow of doubt, that the mind can exert influence over relationships of cause and effect beyond it's physical reach (the phenomena of observation in quantum physics, the influence over probability in random number generators, etc).
Specific and isolated parts of the brain also become active through the act of thought alone, a nonphysical stimuli. Our brain's physiological response technically can't differ between imagination and reality. This is why we can experience legitimate fear through imaginary thoughts. Why a sickening idea can make your stomach drop. What's not real is just as real as what is real, and what is real is just as imaginary as what is not .
Our brains most certainly do have designated regions for specific tasks, I just don't think that the immense capacity and potential of our minds is entirely contained within this 3lb mass of flesh. It is an observed fact that your muscles technically begin to move before the signal from your brain, supposedly meant to command it, even reaches the muscle. There has to be something else going on here.
That relationship and network between neurons is maintained by electrical impulses, the firing of synapses. It's the electromagnetic field created by all of these impulses which provides the perception of a mind. That electromagnetic field is a cloud of energy, and that field isn't necessarily localized within the body.
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The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for A.A. membership; we are self-supporting through our own contributions. A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.
No really. Brain waves outside of the brain? You just said neurons aren't necessarily localized within the body?
-------------------- Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism.
The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for A.A. membership; we are self-supporting through our own contributions. A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.
Thread is already derailed. I'm just happy the book recommendations steered away from the growery/shroomery cliche of "must reads". I'm surprised I didn't a Hunter Thompson book.
-------------------- Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism.
The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for A.A. membership; we are self-supporting through our own contributions. A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.
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