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jkell said:
What genre do you like to read?

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iStoner said:
you should read the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy series.


Into the wild, Death of a salesman, and animal farm are all good as well.

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THEBats said:
I can also second 1984 if you haven't read it.  Some of the books written by Stephen hawking, like brief history of time and the universe in a nutshell are also fascinating.

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Acidic_Sloth said:
start reading the 'Wheel of Time' series by Robert Jordan. you'll be set on books for a while - as long as you like action/adventure/fantasy.


but for starters i would say, in this order:

• Animal Farm by George Orwell
  
• A Brave New World by Alodus Huxely
  
• The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien
  
• Lord of the Rings Trilogy by J.R.R. Tolkien
  

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Sir Smokes A-Lot said:
1984 by George Orewell isn't a fun book. It's about living in mega tyranny. Worse than Nazi Germany. Interestingly, the book which was the first real 1984-style book is called Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. Al sounded crazy to people back then but all his predictions have come true - and the worst is yet to come! Al only knew because the Huxley family was part of an "elite" group of families which rule the world. His brother or something was in charge of some of their dirty work and he told Al what goes down.

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kyuzo said:
Crazy conspiracy stuff

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A7X said:
Perks of Being a Wallflower. It's my favorite.

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Acidic_Sloth said:
there is one book "Winter's Heart" that drags a little, probably my least favourite out of the series; but it's finally coming to a close now, even though the Robert Jordan is, unfortunately, dead, he thankfully kept extensive notes and exactly how the series should end. i have only read the first part of the final book (it's being released in 3 parts) and i like where it's heading. the second part was just released this past november, i'm waiting for my sister's boyfriend to finish it so i can read it, as i won't be buying it until it comes out in paperback so as not to mismatch my collection thus far.

i personally love the series, and have read it - albeit incomplete as it is - several times so far. thinking about re-reading again, or at least the last couple of books while my sister's bf finishes the new one to refresh my memory.

so yes, it does drag in some parts, but it is overall a superb series and definitely worth at least one read.

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A7X said:
Finally, someone who actually knows about that book.

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Sir Smokes A-Lot said:
Anyone read anything by Edgar Cacye?

He's an old-school fella who, without the aid of Plant Teachers, got himself into a trance state and wrote books about revelations he had whilst in the trance.

I've only read a tincy wincy bit of his work (getting some of his books soon). He made a lot of predictions for the futre. All being jaw-droppingly accurate.

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Sir Smokes A-Lot said:
Anyone read anything by Edgar Cacye?

He's an old-school fella who, without the aid of Plant Teachers, got himself into a trance state and wrote books about revelations he had whilst in the trance.

I've only read a tincy wincy bit of his work (getting some of his books soon). He made a lot of predictions for the futre. All being jaw-droppingly accurate.

He deffinatly has my stamp of approval

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Sir Smokes A-Lot said:
Anyone read anything by Edgar Cacye?

He's an old-school fella who, without the aid of Plant Teachers, got himself into a trance state and wrote books about revelations he had whilst in the trance.

I've only read a tincy wincy bit of his work (getting some of his books soon). He made a lot of predictions for the futre. All being jaw-droppingly accurate.

He deffinatly has my stamp of approval

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Yeah, a bunch of stuff.  I have been to his foundation in Virginia Beach too.  It is a really nice place with free classes, meditations, yoga, etc...

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Really. Neva knew that. I'll deffinatly check it out when i go to Virginia in a few years with my American friend

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THEBats said:
They play both sides man. You would be delusional to think every drug smuggler is in their pocket.  The ones who aren't are taken out. Pablo got too powerful for his own good.

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Of course not ever drug dealer is in their pocket

Yer, not shit. And at the end of the day the "mega-banks" are the winners. They loan money to countries to fund drug prohibition and they also smuggle the drugs via organisations such as the CIA.

It' fucking rediculous how they get away with it along with 100000 other things

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mellowfellow said:
Edward Cayce is some pretty profound stuff. He would come up with remedies while in a trance state and helped hundreds and hundreds of people. He'd let them into his home for sessions and they'd line up around the house. While in a trance he came up with the idea of inserting a nail into a kid's leg to set his broken knee. We still use this medical practice of setting broken bones and he actually invented it.

I really like his work about lucid dreaming. It's probably the best resource for the subject that I've encountered. Not really sure what to think of all his predictions and information on Atlantis though.

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THEBats said:
Same goes for our aid to Pakistan, they aid and allow insurgents to cross the border into Afghanistan, then they retreat back over the border.  We've known about this, and yet have no desire to go to war with Pakistan due to their nuclear armament. It's only currently come into public after the wikileaks release.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/wikileaks-us-aid-pakistan-militants

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Damn. Yer the amount of shit is endless. Allied soldiers helping grow opium poppies in Afghanistan is another major too

That whole wikileaks thing is deffinatly a false flag attack on the interent for the following reasons:
A whole pile of stuff was dumped for people to siff through (get distracted, waste time...). If Jules was the real-deal, he woulda focused on the real shit: The mega-banks raping countries as it seems you are aware of. Most notably, Wikileakes is / will be used to help justify censoring the interent. Fellas, get ready for having an "interent ID", loging onto the inernet and being able to be banned from the interent. That is, not unless you are willing to stop it *caugh caugh*

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Same goes for our aid to Pakistan, they aid and allow insurgents to cross the border into Afghanistan, then they retreat back over the border.  We've known about this, and yet have no desire to go to war with Pakistan due to their nuclear armament. It's only currently come into public after the wikileaks release.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/wikileaks-us-aid-pakistan-militants

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Damn. Yer the amount of shit is endless. Allied soldiers helping grow opium poppies in Afghanistan is another major too

That whole wikileaks thing is deffinatly a false flag attack on the interent for the following reasons:
A whole pile of stuff was dumped for people to siff through (get distracted, waste time...). If Jules was the real-deal, he woulda focused on the real shit: The mega-banks raping countries as it seems you are aware of. Most notably, Wikileakes is / will be used to help justify censoring the interent. Fellas, get ready for having an "interent ID", loging onto the inernet and being able to be banned from the interent. That is, not unless you are willing to stop it *caugh caugh*

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THEBats said:
The problem with all that is the lack of tangible evidence. Psychedelic drugs have a profound effect on the mind, but many people get locked into delusions surrounding their experiences with them. 

I guess anyone can believe what they want but, if I say I can fly most people would want to see me fly, not explain to them how I know I can fly.

That said I do think we are all connected, but it's in no way spiritual.  In other words string theory.

Either way I think we can both agree the mind is an amazing organ.

I'm curious what predictions has he made, and were they only connected after the fact, or was there certainty to them?  The problem I have with "predictions" is that they only connect the dots and interpret meaning after the prediction takes place.  Vagueness can create an illusion of precognition.

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Have you ever had any full-blown spiritual trips? I'm talking 10/10 spiritual...

I'll tell ya some of his predicitons from my book which dedicates a few pages to him:

- A shift in the planet's axis in or around the year 2000 CBE, leading to the flooding of costal regeons and the loss of much of Japan, Greenland and some of Northern Europe (heard of the shifting magnetic filed? That sould have something to do with it)

- New Land appearing off the East Coast of America (i remember Alex Jones saying a couple months ago how new islands are appearing somewhere - can't remember but pretty sure it was off the East Coast of America)

- Massive destruction of LA, San Fran and the disapearence of NY (this could be from a major false falg terrorist attack which we will witness before the 2012 elections in America)

- Volcanic eruptions of increasing intensity along the Pacific Rim (HAARP, solar flares, changing magnetic field...)

- The Appearence of a land bridge between South and North America. Which surprisingly appears on the ancient Piri reis maps (changine magnetic field...)

- Global warming in cool regeons and cooling in warm regeons (HAARP, solar flares, changing magnetic field, etc.)


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THEBats said:
That reminds me, killing pablo by mark bowden is a good one too.  It's all about the CIA involvement in taking down his drug enterprise.

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THEBats said:
The problem with all that is the lack of tangible evidence. Psychedelic drugs have a profound effect on the mind, but many people get locked into delusions surrounding their experiences with them. 

I guess anyone can believe what they want but, if I say I can fly most people would want to see me fly, not explain to them how I know I can fly.

That said I do think we are all connected, but it's in no way spiritual.  In other words string theory.

Either way I think we can both agree the mind is an amazing organ.

I'm curious what predictions has he made, and were they only connected after the fact, or was there certainty to them?  The problem I have with "predictions" is that they only connect the dots and interpret meaning after the prediction takes place.  Vagueness can create an illusion of precognition.

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THEBats said:
The problem with all that is the lack of tangible evidence. Psychedelic drugs have a profound effect on the mind, but many people get locked into delusions surrounding their experiences with them. 

I guess anyone can believe what they want but, if I say I can fly most people would want to see me fly, not explain to them how I know I can fly.

That said I do think we are all connected, but it's in no way spiritual.  In other words string theory.

Either way I think we can both agree the mind is an amazing organ.

I'm curious what predictions has he made, and were they only connected after the fact, or was there certainty to them?  The problem I have with "predictions" is that they only connect the dots and interpret meaning after the prediction takes place.  Vagueness can create an illusion of precognition.

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Empirical evidence is tangible evidence, and observation through experience is the definition of empiricism. You can form logical constructs outside of physical experience. Case in point- mathematics, as well as Einstein's famous 'thought experiments'. True, some people go into delusions, but others also resist the truly phenomenal. There is definitely more to the human experience than these three or even four dimension, and I believe psychedelic drugs allow our senses to perceive more than they are normally capable of. Or rather, allows our mind to process information from the senses that it usually just ignores.

Spiritual is just a word to describe something very hard to explain. You call it string theory, others have no knowledge of theoretical physics and call the connection something else. I don't have any idea how to describe what I feel. I just know there's some weird shit going on out there and we're a lot closer than we think we are.

The mind is not an organ. The brain is an organ; a collective tissue with a specific purpose.. do you think that the mind is entirely contained within the brain? That every thought, whim, and emotion in your head is caused by a series of chemical balances and reactions? The very action of producing (entirely nonphysical) thought.. just proteins ?

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Sir Smokes A-Lot said:
- The Appearence of a land bridge between South and North America. Which surprisingly appears on the ancient Piri reis maps (changine magnetic field...)

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Sir Smokes A-Lot said:
- The Appearence of a land bridge between South and North America. Which surprisingly appears on the ancient Piri reis maps (changine magnetic field...)

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Um.. there always was a land bridge between North and South America? Panama and Costa Rica solidly connect North and South America. That's why we had to cut through Panama to create the canal.

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Sir Smokes A-Lot said:
What a great mindset. We can all learn so much that way



I was being very sarcastic. Best to listen to all the info and make your own decision without simply resorting to pre-determined cultural beliefs

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THEBats said:
The problem with all that is the lack of tangible evidence. Psychedelic drugs have a profound effect on the mind, but many people get locked into delusions surrounding their experiences with them. 

I guess anyone can believe what they want but, if I say I can fly most people would want to see me fly, not explain to them how I know I can fly.

That said I do think we are all connected, but it's in no way spiritual.  In other words string theory.

Either way I think we can both agree the mind is an amazing organ.

I'm curious what predictions has he made, and were they only connected after the fact, or was there certainty to them?  The problem I have with "predictions" is that they only connect the dots and interpret meaning after the prediction takes place.  Vagueness can create an illusion of precognition.

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Empirical evidence is tangible evidence, and observation through experience is the definition of empiricism. You can form logical constructs outside of physical experience. Case in point- mathematics, as well as Einstein's famous 'thought experiments'. True, some people go into delusions, but others also resist the truly phenomenal. There is definitely more to the human experience than these three or even four dimension, and I believe psychedelic drugs allow our senses to perceive more than they are normally capable of. Or rather, allows our mind to process information from the senses that it usually just ignores.

Spiritual is just a word to describe something very hard to explain. You call it string theory, others have no knowledge of theoretical physics and call the connection something else. I don't have any idea how to describe what I feel. I just know there's some weird shit going on out there and we're a lot closer than we think we are.

The mind is not an organ. The brain is an organ; a collective tissue with a specific purpose.. do you think that the mind is entirely contained within the brain? That every thought, whim, and emotion in your head is caused by a series of chemical balances and reactions? The very action of producing (entirely nonphysical) thought.. just proteins ?

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I do believe the mind is contained within the brain, but yes you are correct, and is what I meant when I said the mind is a fascinating organ.  The brain is the organ, the mind is rather the complex networking of neurons and their interactions with one another. Direct physical changes will effect the way you think. Specific areas of the brain become active when performing certain tasks, we can isolate their specific function.

Also I've had very spiritual trips, but I'm a skeptic and remain very cautious to my mind getting misconstrued by these experiences. 

And while the experience is tangible/empirical the interpretation is not.  It's almost akin to dream interpretation, which in my opinion is mostly subjective bs.

And as far as those predictions, well...

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mellowfellow said:
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Sir Smokes A-Lot said:


I interpreted your previous post's message as "don't take any of that crap seriously". You saying "Um..." at the start sure did give your messaqge a sarcastic tone.

I just wanted to remind you to be open-minded. It's better, trust me

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mellowfellow said:
Maybe everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Sir Smokes A-Lot said:
You fellas got so sidetracked. THEBats just asked for some of Edgar Cacye's predictions so i told him some.

Now i'm getting in trouble for his predictions? Stop now

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THEBats said:
I do believe the mind is contained within the brain, but yes you are correct, and is what I meant when I said the mind is a fascinating organ.  The brain is the organ, the mind is rather the complex networking of neurons and their interactions with one another. Direct physical changes will effect the way you think. Specific areas of the brain become active when performing certain tasks, we can isolate their specific function.

Also I've had very spiritual trips, but I'm a skeptic and remain very cautious to my mind getting misconstrued by these experiences. 

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That relationship and network between neurons is maintained by electrical impulses, the firing of synapses. It's the electromagnetic field created by all of these impulses which provides the perception of a mind. That electromagnetic field is a cloud of energy, and that field isn't necessarily localized within the body. Dozens and dozens of studies have proven, almost beyond the shadow of doubt, that the mind can exert influence over relationships of cause and effect beyond it's physical reach (the phenomena of observation in quantum physics, the influence over probability in random number generators, etc).

Specific and isolated parts of the brain also become active through the act of thought alone, a nonphysical stimuli. Our brain's physiological response technically can't differ between imagination and reality. This is why we can experience legitimate fear through imaginary thoughts. Why a sickening idea can make your stomach drop. What's not real is just as real as what is real, and what is real is just as imaginary as what is not .

Our brains most certainly do have designated regions for specific tasks, I just don't think that the immense capacity and potential of our minds is entirely contained within this 3lb mass of flesh. It is an observed fact that your muscles technically begin to move before the signal from your brain, supposedly meant to command it, even reaches the muscle. There has to be something else going on here.

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mellowfellow said:

That relationship and network between neurons is maintained by electrical impulses, the firing of synapses. It's the electromagnetic field created by all of these impulses which provides the perception of a mind. That electromagnetic field is a cloud of energy, and that field isn't necessarily localized within the body.

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