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Krackatus said:
I think all should be legal. Most of the danger in using street drugs is in their impurity. If all drugs were made legal to use and legal to research, then people would be able to use pure product with less risk. People are going to use drugs one way or the other. The war on drugs has failed. It might aswell be done in a controlled way which will make it much safer for users.

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I say yes, all drugs should be legal. People should have the right to put what ever they want in their bodies. I think it would be wrong to legalize most drugs, but keep certain select things such as meth or heroin illegal....



If the drugs were controlled in some way, with consistent potency and purity, the "risks" associated with hard drugs would drop quite a bit...Along with bringing in an honest, strait forward drug education system, not this DARE propaganda bullshit. DARE pretty much says drugs are bad, don't do them. Instead of saying no don't do drugs, we need to educate in a non-biased way. Laying out the strait facts about drugs, how they act within out bodies, the real risks associated with them, etc.


And most of all, stop treating drug addicts (and users) like criminals. Rather than locking them up, help and give treatment to those that need it. If they don't want help, shit, their life ...

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Magash said:
Many people don't use drugs cause they are illegal. Making all drugs legal would increase the numbers of people addicted to the drugs, you'd have to be a retard to think it wouldn't....

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I don't think this would happen...

Look at places like Portugal that have completely decriminalized drugs, after a short spike in over all use, statistics show that drug use actually dropped . Though decriminalization is different from outright legalization...



In 2001, Portugal became the first European country to abolish all criminal penalties for personal drug possession. In addition, drug users were to be targeted with therapy rather than prison sentences. Research commissioned by the Cato Institute and led by Glenn Greenwald found that in the five years after the start of decriminalisation, illegal drug use by teenagers had declined, the rate of HIV infections among drug users had dropped, deaths related to heroin and similar drugs had been cut by more than half, and the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction had doubled












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Magash said:
Many people don't use drugs cause they are illegal. Making all drugs legal would increase the numbers of people addicted to the drugs, you'd have to be a retard to think it wouldn't. Now while being a addict wouldn't be illegal the stuff they would do to get the drugs that they can't afford would be. 

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drawde said:
...Who has the right to tell another what they can or cannot do with themselves?

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DungenessDank said:
But aren't we already there, just in denial of our countries problem?

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FRACTALife said:
People, be free and learn. Make your own decisions.

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In 2001, Portugal became the first European country to abolish all criminal penalties for personal drug possession. In addition, drug users were to be targeted with therapy rather than prison sentences. Research commissioned by the Cato Institute and led by Glenn Greenwald found that in the five years after the start of decriminalisation, illegal drug use by teenagers had declined, the rate of HIV infections among drug users had dropped, deaths related to heroin and similar drugs had been cut by more than half, and the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction had doubled

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FarBeyondDriven said:
I think SB and Magash's arguments are more prepared than yours Fractal   Ya'll have persuaded me.  The more and more I think about it, no, drugs shouldn't be legalized, not all of them anyway.  The crime rate would go up like a motherfucker with heads and junkies trying to get a fix for the legal drug, but doing illegal things to get it, and I'm sure people who didn't used to do it when it was illegal, would be doing it then.  Think about this, you're in a bar one night, everybody's fucked up and somebody offers you a line of coke.  The guy says nah man I'm good, the other guy says well it's legal now.  Other guy says, ok well I guess I'll try it and blows a line right on the bar, just because it's legal.  How many times do you think that would happen all across the country/world Fractal?  Therefore making some new addicts.

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FurrowedBrow said:
He understands making heroin and coke illegal?!  I hate people that stand up for pot but then say that they can sympathize with the illegality of hard drugs. 

morale of that story -

dangerous freedom > peaceful slavery

I really do wonder how many pot advocates think like this.  They are missing the point.  This is a fucking human rights issue.  Drug and pot advocates should be advocating human rights, not a particular drug they enjoy.  That's part of the fucking problem right there!

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iStoner said:
Furrowed you speak truth, but ive seen peoples lives get fucked up so much because of hard drugs.

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So?  Like shrooms said.  isn't that their own fault?  Shouldn't they be held accountable for their actions?  Is it the government's responsibility to educate us about drugs?  I don't really think so.  Why should I add my money to do something that parents should do themselves?  All drugs should be available to the public and harm reduction should be the policy.  We all know of the damage that addiction can cause.  You aren't the only one who has dealt with it or know people that have.  That's not an argument.  I doubt that is really your argument but I just wanted to add that since you added the 'but' in there as if to provide a contradiction to my statement.  But I have to ask...Do you fall into that category of not thinking all drugs should be legal?  I'm going to throw up a poll in a new thread for shits.

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You may envision a world where drugs are legal and people run around shooting themselves up on a park bench.  Well i say that we have the addiction problems that we have because of prohibition AND our lack of a solid education about illicit drugs.  Harm reduction is the policy we need here.  A person should be able to shoot heroin in their eyeball if they want to, absent harm to others.  And yes, that would include doing it in a secure, safe place, with a pure drug that has a dosage that is carefully measured.  Most normal people in america would be harmed just by seeing someone shoot up.  There would be regulations to this.  However, this is all beside the point.  We aren't debating what policy should be in place here, just whether they should be legal. 

I think that to say one drug should be legal and another not, is incredibly hypocritical, regardless of the reasoning.  Once a drug is synthesized it's property of all mankind, regardless of who holds the patent on it.  That only entitles benefit from the work used to create it. 

Also this crime rate going up argument is exactly what the anti drug forces argue.  Legalize drugs and we'll have chaos!!!!    It's fear mongering!  Yeah that may be true in a society of fucking idiots who shouldn't be in the gene pool anyway.  However, this is a principle issue to what it means to be free in the modern era.

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Magash said:
All about the freedom stuff is such a joke. Pick up any addict off the street and ask him just how free he feels.

Hey Inverted your out there somewhere. Just how free are you feeling right about now?

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I know this if it became legal to do any drug you like it should be legal to blow that persons brains out when you catch him breaking into your house to try and rip off shit so he can score his now legal drug.

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It's funny, the same people who bitch about freedom are the same people that bitch about their tax dollars being used to clean up the mess.

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FarBeyondDriven said:
We can put all the education and regulation and all that on it that we want, but in the midst of an addiction, how many people are gonna think of the education they have.  None.

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still beLIEve said:
Yeah you guys do make some very valid and convincing points
Like I said earlier, I really don't know. My first thought is no, but after a bit of thought i ddo believe I'd rather live in dangerous freedom rather then a peaceful slavery. And I think some of you hit the nail on the head when you said education is the key. And I'm leaning towards  decriminalizing and education/rehabilitation as a good way to go. My opinions aren't set in tstone on this subject because I truly don't know what the best way to handle the situation is. I dont think though that we should jump into fill legalization.

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FarBeyondDriven said:
This is more than a yes or no question for sure.

An FB, I may have been a little quick agree with a yes or no on this, but my thing is this:  We can put all the education and regulation and all that on it that we want, but in the midst of an addiction, how many people are gonna think of the education they have.  None.  And that's pretty much their own fault, sure.  One thing is for sure, this is not a simple yes or no answer, I kind of agree with parts of both arguments to be honest.  One thing I can say is that I would like to see how Portugal is doing 15 years from now.  I'd like to see if the whole country turns into addicts or not.  Maybe if they're doing well over there, we could model a new system after them.  I've said I don't know, yes, and no in this thread   Bottom line I guess is Yes and No.  There's compelling arguments to both sides.  I personally don't care if it happens or not to be honest.

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FarBeyondDriven said:
This is more than a yes or no question for sure.

An FB, I may have been a little quick agree with a yes or no on this, but my thing is this:  We can put all the education and regulation and all that on it that we want, but in the midst of an addiction, how many people are gonna think of the education they have.  None.  And that's pretty much their own fault, sure.  One thing is for sure, this is not a simple yes or no answer, I kind of agree with parts of both arguments to be honest.  One thing I can say is that I would like to see how Portugal is doing 15 years from now.  I'd like to see if the whole country turns into addicts or not.  Maybe if they're doing well over there, we could model a new system after them.  I've said I don't know, yes, and no in this thread   Bottom line I guess is Yes and No.  There's compelling arguments to both sides.  I personally don't care if it happens or not to be honest.

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Magash said:
Many people don't use drugs cause they are illegal. Making all drugs legal would increase the numbers of people addicted to the drugs, you'd have to be a retard to think it wouldn't. Now while being a addict wouldn't be illegal the stuff they would do to get the drugs that they can't afford would be. 

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TrippyStoner420 said:
education > prohibition

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