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#509869 - 12/30/10 02:45 AM (14 years, 25 days ago) |
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: iStoner]
#509877 - 12/30/10 07:44 AM (14 years, 25 days ago) |
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This guy speaks the truth.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: Krackatus]
#509900 - 12/30/10 09:36 AM (14 years, 25 days ago) |
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Krackatus said:
This guy speaks the truth.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: Shaggy420]
#509932 - 12/30/10 01:20 PM (14 years, 25 days ago) |
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He understands making heroin and coke illegal?! I hate people that stand up for pot but then say that they can sympathize with the illegality of hard drugs.
morale of that story -
dangerous freedom > peaceful slavery
I really do wonder how many pot advocates think like this. They are missing the point. This is a fucking human rights issue. Drug and pot advocates should be advocating human rights, not a particular drug they enjoy. That's part of the fucking problem right there!
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Furrowed you speak truth, but ive seen peoples lives get fucked up so much because of hard drugs.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: iStoner]
#509997 - 12/30/10 04:21 PM (14 years, 24 days ago) |
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Is that the drugs fault? No, it's their dumbass in the first place.
I have stood by and will always stand by EVERY SINGLE drug being legal.
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well... curiosity killed the cat.
but the cat wanted to be curious and im sure as hell its not the needle's fault if it slipped in the cat's arm and some heroin got shot.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: iStoner]
#510016 - 12/30/10 06:02 PM (14 years, 24 days ago) |
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iStoner said:
Furrowed you speak truth, but ive seen peoples lives get fucked up so much because of hard drugs.
So? Like shrooms said. isn't that their own fault? Shouldn't they be held accountable for their actions? Is it the government's responsibility to educate us about drugs? I don't really think so. Why should I add my money to do something that parents should do themselves? All drugs should be available to the public and harm reduction should be the policy. We all know of the damage that addiction can cause. You aren't the only one who has dealt with it or know people that have. That's not an argument. I doubt that is really your argument but I just wanted to add that since you added the 'but' in there as if to provide a contradiction to my statement. But I have to ask...Do you fall into that category of not thinking all drugs should be legal? I'm going to throw up a poll in a new thread for shits.
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Furrowedbrow you're totally right man. Who's to say which drugs are ok and which are not ok to use? I still agree though with most of what this dude in the video says. Yeah he's only really backing pot rather than all drugs, but hes mainly directing his frustration at how alcohol can be legal given the current drug laws.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: Krackatus] 1
#510038 - 12/30/10 08:16 PM (14 years, 24 days ago) |
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I dont have much of a stance, but i do think all drugs should be legal.
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FurrowedBrow said:
He understands making heroin and coke illegal?! I hate people that stand up for pot but then say that they can sympathize with the illegality of hard drugs.
morale of that story -
dangerous freedom > peaceful slavery
I really do wonder how many pot advocates think like this. They are missing the point. This is a fucking human rights issue. Drug and pot advocates should be advocating human rights, not a particular drug they enjoy. That's part of the fucking problem right there!
People should have complete dominion over whatever they put in their bodies whether it's heroin, cyanide, broccoli or whatever- It's your body, you should own it, not the fucking government. But if people use other arguments to get weed legalized I don't fucking care. I want weed legal and I don't care what method people use to get it done. I will lie and distort my own position it if it helps bring others to the cause. Social movements happen in baby steps. The slaves had to be freed before a black president was elected.
LEGALIZE IT!!!
By any means necessary.
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Quote:
FurrowedBrow said:
He understands making heroin and coke illegal?! I hate people that stand up for pot but then say that they can sympathize with the illegality of hard drugs.
morale of that story -
dangerous freedom > peaceful slavery
I really do wonder how many pot advocates think like this. They are missing the point. This is a fucking human rights issue. Drug and pot advocates should be advocating human rights, not a particular drug they enjoy. That's part of the fucking problem right there!
I don't think this issue is about distilled drugs.
Marijuana is one of the few drugs that is used as is.
It isn't altered in any way and has no harmful side effects
Heroin and Cocaine have to be distilled in some way
and can kill you in high doses, that is the main difference I think
Marijuana is the MOST HARMLESS DRUG anyone can consume....
can you say the same thing about heroine or cocaine?
We have to realize that marijuana is NOTHING like H or C
Politicians (and people like yourself) think that there is no difference in between weed and H/C and there is a HUGE difference in them.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: niteowl]
#510210 - 12/31/10 03:50 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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 I am well aware of the differences between heroin, coke and pot. Although them being 'distilled' is a new concept for me. So what if there's a difference in them? There's a difference between water, beer and grain alcohol too. I don't think i understand your argument.
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I am well aware of the differences between heroin, coke and pot. Although them being 'distilled' is a new concept for me.
Both Cocaine and Heroine have to be processed (distilled) in order to get the 'drug' out of the plant. These concentrated (distilled) drugs are FAR more dangerous than Marijuana ever could be.
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So what if there's a difference in them? There's a difference between water, beer and grain alcohol too. I don't think i understand your argument.
Well ..... we regulate beer and grain alcohol 
Im not saying that H/C should be illegal, just that you can't compare weed to them.
Trying to throw weed in the same category as H/C is retarded, and IMO is the main reason it isn't legal. Too many people try to compare it to harmful (distilled) drugs like alcohol, heroine or cocaine.....all of which CAN kill you.....weed can not.
Trying to compare weed to those other 'distilled' drugs is pointless and harmful to the marijuana movement
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Quote:
niteowl said:
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I am well aware of the differences between heroin, coke and pot. Although them being 'distilled' is a new concept for me.
Both Cocaine and Heroine have to be processed (distilled) in order to get the 'drug' out of the plant. These concentrated (distilled) drugs are FAR more dangerous than Marijuana ever could be.
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So what if there's a difference in them? There's a difference between water, beer and grain alcohol too. I don't think i understand your argument.
Well ..... we regulate beer and grain alcohol
Im not saying that H/C should be illegal, just that you can't compare weed to them.
Trying to throw weed in the same category as H/C is retarded, and IMO is the main reason it isn't legal. Too many people try to compare it to harmful (distilled) drugs like alcohol, heroine or cocaine.....all of which CAN kill you.....weed can not.
Trying to compare weed to those other 'distilled' drugs is pointless and harmful to the marijuana movement
Once again you show your ignorance while attempting to put others down. Coca is used indigenously, and while heroin is processed, it actually is not extracted, obviously opiates can be used without further process or extraction. Or as you would like to put it "distillation."
Either way you were missing the point.
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Drug and pot advocates should be advocating human rights, not a particular drug they enjoy.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day. 
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: THEBats]
#510253 - 12/31/10 07:11 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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this:
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THEBats said:
Either way you were missing the point.
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FurrowedBrow said:
Drug and pot advocates should be advocating human rights, not a particular drug they enjoy.
also, see here
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: THEBats]
#510260 - 12/31/10 07:33 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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Once again you show your ignorance while attempting to put others down. Coca is used indigenously, and while heroin is processed, it actually is not extracted, obviously opiates can be used without further process or extraction. Or as you would like to put it "distillation."
I don't see anyone here chewing coca leaves or making poppy tea.
Wanna push to legalize the personal growing of coca and poppy pods......Im all for that. 
Processed drugs like powder/crack cocaine, meth or heroine are NOT in the same category as weed
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: niteowl]
#510264 - 12/31/10 07:45 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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Stop using the point that Marijuana is harmless. As i agree its not bad, or as bad as what people think. But it is certainly not 100% harmless.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: iStoner]
#510277 - 12/31/10 08:16 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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yeah, that's a fact - we all accept it and so does all of the brainwashed public. it's like saying being burned alive is worse than taking a hot shower. no shit.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: iStoner]
#510278 - 12/31/10 08:17 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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iStoner said:
Stop using the point that Marijuana is harmless. As i agree its not bad, or as bad as what people think. But it is certainly not 100% harmless.
I think it's harmless.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: iStoner]
#510280 - 12/31/10 08:22 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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I do think that we shouldn't lump them all together. Whether or not it's a human right issue I do believe its detrimental to the marijuana movement. Its a battle I think we should take up after we win the current one with marijuana. Too much at once is not a good idea. Opinions take time to change.
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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: Nothing Is]
#510283 - 12/31/10 08:25 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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oh let me clarify, i meant its a fact that cannabis isn't as harmful as heroin. I'm not sure about the harms of cannabis tbh. also, this is more of a thought experiment than anything else. it will take a radical change in thought for everyone in the country (if not the world) for all drugs to be legal and i dont see that happening any time soon.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: iStoner]
#510284 - 12/31/10 08:27 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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iStoner said:
Stop using the point that Marijuana is harmless. As i agree its not bad, or as bad as what people think. But it is certainly not 100% harmless.
It is one of the most harmless plants you can consume.....
FACT
And to compare it to any drug, that actually CAN hurt you, is retarded 
Its like comparing a Daisy BB gun to a M60 fully automatic machine gun
They are both 'guns', but one is clearly far different than the other
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I do think that we shouldn't lump them all together. Whether or not it's a human right issue I do believe its detrimental to the marijuana movement. Its a battle I think we should take up after we win the current one with marijuana. Too much at once is not a good idea. Opinions take time to change.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: niteowl]
#510285 - 12/31/10 08:29 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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Just because its one of the most harmless, does not make it 100% harmless. You speak of it as if it has zero negative effects.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: iStoner]
#510288 - 12/31/10 08:36 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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well this is all just 
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ive been smoking pretty much everyday for the last year and i cant think of any negative effects
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: Shaggy420]
#510302 - 12/31/10 09:18 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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OKay, its causes negative effects in some people. Thats all im saying.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: niteowl]
#510310 - 12/31/10 10:26 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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niteowl said:
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THEBats said:
Once again you show your ignorance while attempting to put others down. Coca is used indigenously, and while heroin is processed, it actually is not extracted, obviously opiates can be used without further process or extraction. Or as you would like to put it "distillation."
I don't see anyone here chewing coca leaves or making poppy tea.
http://www.growery.org/forums/dosearch.php?where=body&tosearch=both&how=all&words=poppy+tea&limit=25&sort=r&way=d&page=0
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: THEBats]
#510312 - 12/31/10 10:36 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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^^Lol I knew that shit was coming
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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: iStoner]
#510315 - 12/31/10 10:50 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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iStoner said:
OKay, its causes negative effects in some people. Thats all im saying.
All the other 'distilled' drugs can kill you.
Marijuana can not, therefore they can't be in the same category of drugs
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: niteowl]
#510317 - 12/31/10 10:59 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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you're gonna drive me crazy if you keep saying that.
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niteowl
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FurrowedBrow said:
you're gonna drive me crazy if you keep saying that.
what this .....
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niteowl said:
All the other 'distilled' drugs can kill you.
Marijuana can not, therefore they can't be in the same category of drugs
Sorry that the truth bothers you so much 
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: niteowl]
#510319 - 12/31/10 11:14 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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I think it's your incorrect use of the word distilled.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: THEBats]
#510320 - 12/31/10 11:17 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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So you're telling me that alcohol, powder/crack cocaine
and black tar heroine aren't distilled/purified/concentrated
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: niteowl]
#510322 - 12/31/10 11:26 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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 the truth doesn't hurt and no one can argue against what you're saying. You seem to just want to be stirring up something here.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: niteowl]
#510324 - 12/31/10 11:30 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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You use those words as if they're synonyms.
And alcohol is the only thing you listed that is distilled.
Distilling refers to a specific process of vaporization and condensation.
Refined perhaps is the word you're looking for?
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: THEBats]
#510325 - 12/31/10 11:35 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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Refined does work better, but everyone knew wtf I was talking about.
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Re: Marijuana Rant. [Re: niteowl]
#510326 - 12/31/10 11:36 PM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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Indeed.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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