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 FurrowedBrow
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 Cannabis Potency over the years... 
#506247 - 12/17/10 06:36 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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Is it a myth that the potency of cannabis has dramatically increased over the last 40 years? I'm wondering what you, the average growerite, thinks about this. Don't google it before you answer.
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 Steve Buscemi
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#506251 - 12/17/10 06:42 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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All I know is OG Kush is insanely strong compared to almost all other weed I've smoked in the last 12 years.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: Steve Buscemi]
#506258 - 12/17/10 06:57 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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There is no way that some shit tied to a stick and imported from Thailand is anything close to the dank I get. I've seen old High Times issues. They were smoking bammer. No seeds in my sacks.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: SmOakland]
#506273 - 12/17/10 07:20 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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I think the potency of marijuana today comes from fertilizers tailor made for marijuana growing, HID lights and 40 years of selective breeding. I was eating a macintosh apple today and realized how much red delicious apples suck in comparison........... It's all just farming man.
I lost my train of thought.
Edited by Steve Buscemi (12/17/10 08:32 PM)
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: SmOakland]
#506285 - 12/17/10 07:32 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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yes we've definitely finely dialed into the precise requirements for cannabis' needs. now any guy with the internet can learn how to grow incredibly dank nuggets, far superior to the shit they imported from mexico in the 60s
nobody in the 60s grew indoors, and even they did they definitely didn't have foliar feeding, 16,0000 lumen 150w HID lighting, hydroponics, or Hydrofarm / Advanced Nutrients to go to for instant perfect feeding regimen
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#506302 - 12/17/10 08:55 PM (14 years, 8 days ago) |
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I voted "I Don't Know" because I'm not 60 years old. But I heard the answer is No, it is not stronger now than it was then. There was some kick ass shit back then too.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: psyberpunk] 2
#506307 - 12/17/10 09:12 PM (14 years, 8 days ago) |
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Well what can be certain is the supply of higher quality of cannabis has gone up. So if you're merely crunching number the average thc potency has gone up, that's not to say there wasn't good bud going around the 60's and 70's. It was just more common to find lower quality weed.
We certainly have learned a few things since then, and have dialed in all the variables.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day. 
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: THEBats]
#506311 - 12/17/10 09:21 PM (14 years, 8 days ago) |
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i think over he years, people have been trying to perfect marijuana growing, which has caused higher potency recently.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: iStoner]
#506313 - 12/17/10 09:26 PM (14 years, 8 days ago) |
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Nah, it hasn't.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: Shr0000ooooms] 1
#506338 - 12/18/10 12:14 AM (14 years, 8 days ago) |
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The biggest change to marijuana since the 60's has been the introduction of the indica plant. Everything was sativas at the time. Once the hash making strains were introduced to lower flowering times and increase yields and add those crystals that everybody loves the whole grow scene changed. 
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: Magash] 1
#506357 - 12/18/10 07:06 AM (14 years, 8 days ago) |
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^word
Hybridization created a gene pool we could select the dankest of qualities from, from then on selective breeding took over.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#512018 - 01/08/11 05:43 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think this myth is because in the 60s and 70s there was quite a bit of very low thc brick weed coming from wherever. The authorities claim that the average % of street weed back then was like 1-2% or something and today the average is around 14%.
Note that this is averages, you could still have your near 20% thc exotic Columbian, Thai, etc. I actually got a good chuckle from someone commenting on Thai sticks since those are amongst the best weed you could get back then and IMO now. Today we've got hybrids that boast 25% THC and this is quite possibly only possible through extreme breeding schemes/hybridization. We have not come leaps and bounds like some are lead to believe in terms of our BEST weed. The average quality of weed has certainly gone up in the last several decades.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: maryanne3087]
#512035 - 01/08/11 06:12 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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maybe we've just gotten better at growing it dosnt mean its getting more potent.
i dont really know tbh.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: Shaggy420]
#512550 - 01/10/11 12:27 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Any pure sativas that were imported from other countries would be old enough by the time they were smoked that a significant amount of the THC would have turned into other cannabinoids anyway. If there were such thing as weed that is better than what we grew here now then why would we not do that?
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: SmOakland]
#512580 - 01/10/11 03:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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We're not growing Thai and Colombian weed because of the long flower time and the height of flowering plants. Only a small fraction of the smoking community would enjoy pure sativa plants also.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: maryanne3087]
#512601 - 01/10/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haze plants are extremely popular, and they're mostly sativa...
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: THEBats]
#512606 - 01/10/11 04:13 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haze is pure sativa mostly of Thai origins. Some say Thai and Columbian, some say there's Indian, Mexican and Jamaican genetics in there also.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: maryanne3087]
#512609 - 01/10/11 04:18 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes but you said we're not growing it, which is far from true. Perhaps not in their country of origin. And certainly a bunch of smokers I know prefer sativas.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: THEBats]
#512612 - 01/10/11 04:21 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thai genetics would certainly be grown in their country of origin, they're not grown very much in the indoor scene because of their long flower times and high flowering height.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: maryanne3087]
#512613 - 01/10/11 04:22 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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You know you can grow weed outside in the US too.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: THEBats]
#512627 - 01/10/11 05:03 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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There's not many countries that you can grow Thais outdoors. I'm not from America either so I'm well aware of being able to grow in other countries. I was referring to the indoor scene, in any country. Unless of course other countries seem to have higher ceilings and don't care how long their plants take to finish...
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: maryanne3087]
#512636 - 01/10/11 05:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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did you ever think that some growers dont grow for commercial but for diversity and preference of herbage, ad yes you can finish a sativa plant in the US, I've done it, granted its not feasible seeing as you have to watch the weather towards the end and tarp the plant if necessary at night when it frosts, but you will end up with some primo purple sativa buds
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: Big_tiggy]
#512641 - 01/10/11 05:29 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can also start the plant indoors early and transfer to outdoors.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: THEBats]
#512648 - 01/10/11 05:44 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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that wont matter the flowering time is still the same... but you could veg and start the flower indoors around june then transplant outside august, but its not really good to transplant a flowering plant...
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: Big_tiggy]
#512775 - 01/10/11 08:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Big_tiggy said:
did you ever think that some growers dont grow for commercial but for diversity and preference of herbage, ad yes you can finish a sativa plant in the US, I've done it, granted its not feasible seeing as you have to watch the weather towards the end and tarp the plant if necessary at night when it frosts, but you will end up with some primo purple sativa buds
Doesn't make it any more common or practical. Probably less than 1% of growers grow pure sativas probably less than 1% of that bud ever makes it onto the market.
How many states can you finish a pure sativa? I don't even know if pure hazes or thai's will actually finish in California, I've smoked Thai and Haze grown in California and it seemed like it was picked early.
Don't get into using tarps, or blacking out, this is in all practicality no longer outdoor growing. If I use a tarp to black out plants they will virtually finish anywhere. May as well say you can grow indoor bud anywhere where buildings exist.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: maryanne3087]
#512794 - 01/10/11 08:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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You also have to understand the extent of the situation in California. Oakland I believe recently allowed warehouse growing, in anticipation of the failed prop 19 ballot, where you can have buildings that have ceiling heights higher than the average home.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: THEBats]
#512943 - 01/11/11 08:06 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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AND?
Doesn't make the flowering time any shorter nor does it make growing exotic sativas any more profitable. I don't think any pure Thais or Hazes will end up in those warehouses.
Switching to a pure haze from a cash crop in the states on a 4kw op is like kissing goodbye 10-15k.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: maryanne3087]
#512976 - 01/11/11 11:48 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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And yet that doesn't seem to effect the availability of sativas in California.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: THEBats]
#513183 - 01/12/11 04:47 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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i can personaly say that cali bud is at least 5x's stronger than common shwag weed, dont know what makes cali bud stronger but it definatly varys
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Re: Cannabis Potency over the years... [Re: auronlives69] 2
#513212 - 01/12/11 10:09 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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its the people that grow it that makes it better weed, not the fact its grown in cali.
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