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 Magash
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Registered: 04/21/08
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 Re: critique my noobness  [Re: Pandor]
#498808 - 11/17/10 10:03 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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A lot is gonna depend on how you want to grow. This is a SOG grow under 2-1000 watt lights each over a 4x4 space.
Or larger plants
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Pandor
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Re: critique my noobness [Re: Magash]
#498811 - 11/17/10 10:27 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Magash said:
A lot is gonna depend on how you want to grow. This is a SOG grow under 2-1000 watt lights each over a 4x4 space.
Or larger plants
I love your pictures.
I want to do big plants.
So is there any benefit to buying 2 1000 watt bulbs as opposed to one big light?
If I took the route of using 2 4x4 bulbs in 2 of the rooms, and then one light in the 3rd room for mothers and such, and the house is 1250 sq ft in a ghettoish neighborhood, will this cause too much heat, electricity use, smell? I don't care if the house reeks on the inside, just worried about smells from the outside.
Realistically, would 6 5 gallon hempy buckets fit under each light in the 2 main rooms? If yes, that's 12 plants per room. How much yield can I expect? (I know it varies on the strain, growing conditions, and my skill...just a general idea would help me. A gram per watt somewhat accurate?)
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maryanne3087
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Re: critique my noobness [Re: Pandor]
#498843 - 11/17/10 01:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pandor said:
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Magash said:
A lot is gonna depend on how you want to grow. This is a SOG grow under 2-1000 watt lights each over a 4x4 space.
Or larger plants
I love your pictures.
I want to do big plants.
So is there any benefit to buying 2 1000 watt bulbs as opposed to one big light?
If I took the route of using 2 4x4 bulbs in 2 of the rooms, and then one light in the 3rd room for mothers and such, and the house is 1250 sq ft in a ghettoish neighborhood, will this cause too much heat, electricity use, smell? I don't care if the house reeks on the inside, just worried about smells from the outside.
Realistically, would 6 5 gallon hempy buckets fit under each light in the 2 main rooms? If yes, that's 12 plants per room. How much yield can I expect? (I know it varies on the strain, growing conditions, and my skill...just a general idea would help me. A gram per watt somewhat accurate?)
A gram per watt is very hopeful, and a very ambitious goal for a first time grower. I won't say good growers but efficient growers expect 2lbs per 1000w which is just under 1gpw, and maybe over a lb for 600w's. I see growers reach 1gpw far more often with 600w lights.
If you want to aim for the highest yields possible you should look into higher plant counts or training methods (SCROG, Topping, FIM, Supercropping, etc) There's a guide on here somewhere that is a overview of all these training techniques. I top/low stress train, and supercrop/bend as much as possible for larger plants. I think having plants that put on a lot of bud mass and fall over grown in a sea of green (high plant counts/meter squared) held up by a trellis is a common method of high yields.
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 KaptKid
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Registered: 04/20/08
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 Re: critique my noobness [Re: Pandor]
#498859 - 11/17/10 02:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is my 1st SOG, two- 1000 watt lights.100 plants. Got 2 1/2 lb's.
I was happy with it.
Working on my next grow and a 2 x 2 flood and drain.
Its a labor of love.
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jkell
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Registered: 10/29/10
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Re: critique my noobness [Re: KaptKid]
#498926 - 11/17/10 06:55 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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KaptKid said:
This is my 1st SOG, two- 1000 watt lights.100 plants. Got 2 1/2 lb's.
I was happy with it.
Working on my next grow and a 2 x 2 flood and drain.
Its a labor of love.
I creamed my pants when I read 2 1/2 pounds.
@Hawks Sorry man miscommunication, I meant just getting everything balanced in the rez hawks or was that just me the first time?  but with practically all systems you get the rez right you're golden 
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Magash
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Re: critique my noobness [Re: jkell]
#498983 - 11/17/10 11:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, there is no such thing as a 4x4 light but this crap about 600s being able to do 4x4 is just that crap. Your gonna get 3x3 of good growth then the outer plants are gonna be scraggly. A 400 watt over a 4x8 Yeah ok I'll believe that when I see it and I don't care if it's some martin super reflector being moved by a light rail.
You want a average of 2500 lumens (yeah yeah I know lumens don't measure spectrum and usable light but if you got the right bulb then you don't have to worry about that it's a fucking grow bulb) I've done a ton of work on this and I personally don't care what kind of crap is written in whatever book. I have tested this with so many strains it's not funny.
Now as Hawk said co2 is good but constant air exchange is better. Also like he said there is a reason everyone of the larger seed companies have switched to constant air flow rather then a sealed environment with co2.
So why are people calling 1000watters 4x4 bulbs
600s 3x3
400s 2.5x2.5
250s 2x2
because when you get further then that away from the bulb you get below the 2500 lumens per sq foot ratio. Don't take my word for it grab a light meter and check yourself. I've done it about 25000 times so I'm fairly confident in the results.
Find a strain and figure out how it likes to grow. Some strains are better in SOG grows.
I bred this strain myself for sog grow. I wanted a plant with low branching.
This is done by BOG. This strain is branchy and wouldn't do as well in a sog cause of all the overlapping growth. You'll get little buds in the lower growth and nobody wants to waste time growing stuff to make hash out of.
Yeah yeah yeah you can train it bend it yadda yadda to make it work in a sog but do you really wanna worry about how to train the plant while you're still learning the basics? I have my doubts that you do. Once you have your grow system down (nutrients, light placement, airflow, security)
There is a lot to look into. Take for instance 600 watt lights. I've heard for years how they are more efficient then 1000s (and they are supposedly 7 to 10% better but I have yet to see it make any kind of difference in yield what so ever) so I switched every one of my grows to 600 watters ( ) and ended up hating them and going back to 1000s. I have ever yet to see a experienced grower have a easier time getting a gram per watt in a 3x3 foot area then a experienced grower with a 1000 gets in a 4x4. Put it this way. Look at pics of all the growrooms that the breeders use (and there are plenty of pics of their rooms outthere) and tell me which bulb they are using.
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Magash
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Re: critique my noobness [Re: Hendershot]
#499399 - 11/19/10 11:00 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bulbs of varying wattage's were used from 250 to 1000. Bulbs were hung a certain distance from the floor and measurments taken directly under the bulbs and every 6 inches in each direction from the bulb. (and yes the bulbs are the same models just different wattages. Bulbs are from Hortilux, Ultra Sun, Sun Master and Solar Max. Bulbs used were new and done with the owner of Growers Choice in Modesto Calif. Originally done so he could have a chart posted up next to the bulbs he sells) The bulbs used were given away right here on this site for free. (Thanks to the whole 2 people that gave me a good trade rating for a free bulb ya bunch of buttheads    )
Light meter is a CHY 332
I know about his black room I have video footage of him making it.
In fact now that you got me thinking about those videos I'm gonna make torrents out of them and I'll have links to them up in the lounge if ya want them. I'll have em up by tomorrow night.
Oh yeah, there was 1 company and only 1 that had numbers higher then what they advertise. The company was Ultra Sun. The thing about these bulbs is they are half the price of the other brands. Here is the thing we found funny about it. In every case the ratings on the Hortilux and other brands is higher then the Ultra Suns but in every case the Ultra Suns beat them.
and now it's morning ElBongo time. 
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Magash
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Re: critique my noobness [Re: maryanne3087]
#499762 - 11/20/10 07:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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maryanne3087
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Re: critique my noobness [Re: Magash]
#499763 - 11/20/10 08:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Magash said:
Is Alg-A-Mic still produced by GH in the states? AFAIK, it's produced by Bio-Bizz and the companies are completely separate now.
I called GH about their General Organics line.
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