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Thebooedocksaint
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#486712 - 10/10/10 04:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think their should be some restrictions to the freedom of speech personally. But the problem with allowing them to be restricted some of the time means that it could gradually get more and more oppressive.
Regardless I almost went to the "1 million fag march" in topeka a few months ago just to see some phelps people get pissed off. Like half the people I know from high school that are still around went.
You know the reason they are protesting the military funerals is because they think the government is to nice to gays.
They protested around where I am a lot, bikers started to surround the funerals with bikes to block out the noise and view of the protest. I personally couldn't blame anyone if they killed phelps, not saying they shouldn't be punished. But I'd probably send them a letter saying it was cool what they did or something.
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#486718 - 10/10/10 04:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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THEBats said: Any restrictions on the freedom of speech is detrimental to this countries intentions and freedom.
Yea, but you know the purpose of the government is to be the will of the people.
If ever the majority of people in America wanted to restrict something in some way I say it is their right to do it.
But whatever, I don't really care. I just know I sure as hell will have fun at Fred Phelps Funeral when he dies. 
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#486737 - 10/10/10 06:23 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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THEBats said: The will of the people doesn't extend to the rights delegated by both the constitution and the bill of rights. Those are restrictions that, in theory, are never to be superseded by majority vote. They belong to minorities and the majority alike.
Yea, but if a majority don't like the way it is working. 

Regardless, constitutions are nice. But making 100% absolutes in it is stupid. Some countries don't even use a constitution as word of law, just guidelines to rule them. (although I think they tend to get more dictators then would be preferable).
I think Honduras is the specific one I am thinking of, but I am not certain.
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#486751 - 10/10/10 06:51 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Which I understand. But I'm just affirming to me, it is so fucked up to protest any funeral, that if an exception were to be made it would be a pretty good thing to be such an exception.
Now I'm going to stfu though cuz I'm stoned as fuck.
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#532241 - 03/02/11 01:13 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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To be honest I am rather upset, I don't think it is anyone's right to protest someones funeral. Provisions on free speech should be allowed for specific situations alone, although IMO that would be an amendment to the constitution.
Although since this is up held I will feel free to protest fred phelps funeral.
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: Tangerines]
#532326 - 03/02/11 04:47 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tangerines said: Start making "provisions" in this case then what stops them from making "provisions" in times or war? Or "provisions" during elections etc.
Well for one, as I said. An amendment to the constitution being needed stops them. And it isn't like there hasn't been censorship in the past during wars, and they haven't gradually gotten rid of them all. So there is one hole poked in your logic, which is by the way the slippery slope fallacy.
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Thebooedocksaint
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but like I said whatever, I don't care really. I will tell you at least one of my friends who were in Vietnam are pissed off by that decision. And In my opinion those affected by the problem in the system is who's opinion most matters. This has a great amount of support with it, it doesn't surprise me the court said nothing though. They rule on the constitution, and they can't be legislating from the bench because that pisses people off.
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: Tangerines]
#532334 - 03/02/11 04:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tangerines said: Still doesn't give them the right to strip away free speech to law abiding citizens. That is even more fucked up than protesting a vets funeral. Lady justice has no emotions.
Well, actually. According to the constitution they do have a right. They can pass an amendment, so in fact they have the right to pass any amendment they want.
btw turns out its not really a slippery slope one. Was told it was different than it really was.
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#532340 - 03/02/11 05:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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THEBats said: Ultimately the same argument against them can be used against marijuana supporters. There's plenty of people who find that offensive to their children and way of life who would love to see restrictions on it.
Obviously phelps is more universally offensive, yet the definition of offensive obviously varies, from individual to individual, and generation to generation. This is why there can be no provisions except on location of the protest, not on the delivery or content of the speech itself.
O.O
Not really.
Smoking weed isn't deliberately offensive, protesting military funerals with signs that say "god hates fags" is deliberately offensive. Being offensive on purpose, for no beneficial reasons, is fucked up.
He knows it is offensive, that is his reason to do it. He is a giant Troll.
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: THEBats]
#532347 - 03/02/11 05:12 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Protesting military funerals [Re: Far Stox]
#532364 - 03/02/11 05:50 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thebooedocksaint said: He knows it is offensive, that is his reason to do it. He is a giant Troll.
You know, the only way to beat a troll is to ignore it. Or engage in troll cannibalism and troll him back.
Makes me wonder what the reaction would be if the funeral attendees just carried on with their service without paying any attention to the crazy Westboro cockbites. 
I'd just murder fred phelps and his family in the night a year later.
Everyone knows you can only kill a troll with fire, otherwise they regenerate.
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