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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: Jefferson]
    #477998 - 09/16/10 06:03 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I've always thought these mosques looked very American and patriotic.



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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: Jefferson]
    #478056 - 09/16/10 10:33 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Those have got to be the most Un-American buildings I have ever seen, I do think they look cool... But I think putting one there is kind of mocking the victims.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478064 - 09/16/10 11:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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You really think that's the kind of building they're proposing?





That's a mosque.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478125 - 09/16/10 01:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The majority of them do
http://www.google.com/images?q=mosque&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1680&bih=867

If it wasn't a middle eastern building there would be no controversy, and they aren't putting it in an appropriate location imo.

Apparently there is one in washington.


Still has the sphere on it, just not as big.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478140 - 09/16/10 02:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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The majority of them do
http://www.google.com/images?q=mosque&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1680&bih=867

If it wasn't a middle eastern building there would be no controversy., and they aren't putting it in an appropriate location imo




For one, it's not solely a mosque but an islamic center.  For two that type of architecture is not all too common in mosques constructed in America.  For three there's no reason why that's an inappropriate location.  For four it's going to be a couple blocks from ground zero, not at the site.




Well, you obviously did not lose a part of your family in the attack (neither did I, but I am looking at this from their perspective) on America that was ultimately blamed on people of this religion.

I would not mind a mosque being down the road from me, but placing one anywhere near a site that was an attack on America, blamed on the religion this structure is going to be made for (this is a holy war pretty much), should be unacceptable for those who lost family members that day.


It's almost the equivalent to a Hitler monument in Jewish cities.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: MFDoom666]
    #478150 - 09/16/10 02:24 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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any american that has a problem with the islamic center being constructed in new york is fucking retarded.

not to mention racist as fuck.





I'm not racist, I already said, I do not mind a mosque being built anywhere near me. Putting one anywhere near thousands of lives were lost and blamed on the middle east (note : holy war), should not be acceptable.

Show me a picture of a christian church in Iraq, where we have killed many citizens there, and I will change my mind.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: DungenessDank]
    #478153 - 09/16/10 02:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=RjL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=christian+church+in+iraq&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1024&bih=560

:lol:





Trust me, I really wouldn't doubt this happens to most of them, given time. this is a holy war to them


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: MFDoom666]
    #478157 - 09/16/10 02:30 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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fuck america dude.

you're an asshole.





There is a news headline  where 5 churches in iraq were bombed in a day.

America has not bombed any mosques. Asshole = Patriot?


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478158 - 09/16/10 02:30 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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any american that has a problem with the islamic center being constructed in new york is fucking retarded.

not to mention racist as fuck.





I'm not racist, I already said, I do not mind a mosque being built anywhere near me. Putting one anywhere near thousands of lives were lost and blamed on the middle east (note : holy war), should not be acceptable.

Show me a picture of a christian church in Iraq, where we have killed many citizens there, and I will change my mind.




So because a regime does not allow churches then we should not allow mosques?  :nonono: Also just because the attacks were blamed on the middle east has nothing to do with the majority of practitioners of islam. I think the really insult is having military bases in Japan after we nuked them and made them our bitch. Also there are churches in Iraq....







I said plenty of times, I don't mind mosques in the country. I said they shouldn't be allowed near an attack site.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: MFDoom666]
    #478161 - 09/16/10 02:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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"patriotic" asshole you are.





http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/world/middleeast/13iraq.html

When this happens in America against 5 mosques, hell will be raised.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: MFDoom666]
    #478167 - 09/16/10 02:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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america shouldn't be over there.

we're just getting what we deserve.





I completely agree with the first part.

And since I do not fully believe the official story of 9/11, knowing the government is allowing this (maybe even pushing this) just makes it worse to me.

If it was an inside job, lets just say if it were, they point the finger at the middle east, start a "holy war" and then build one of these close to the attack site they created. It's just fucked up in my eyes, I see it as mockery of the deaths.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478173 - 09/16/10 02:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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MFDoom666 said:
america shouldn't be over there.

we're just getting what we deserve.





I completely agree with the first part.

And since I do not fully believe the official story of 9/11, knowing the government is allowing this (maybe even pushing this) just makes it worse to me.

If it was an inside job, lets just say if it were, they point the finger at the middle east, start a "holy war" and then build one of these close to the attack site they created. It's just fucked up in my eyes, I see it as mockery of the deaths.




What do you mean the government is "allowing" this?





What I meant was the elites pushing for this.

I think if our troops are anywhere they should be in America on the Mexican border, we need to get our shit straight in our country before we decide to go anywhere else.

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this country is just fucked.

i have no hope for it and when i see blatant hatred for muslims just because they're trying to live in our country it kinda pisses me off.




I do not hate muslims, I used to have friends that were middle eastern before I moved from that town. This was all post 9/11 I moved in 2006.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478177 - 09/16/10 02:49 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Whether it is a free country or not people will still disagree with things.

It is a free country yet we cannot light a joint if we please.

It is a free country and a man talking about burning a quran caused a shitstorm.

I also disagree with burning a quran, but as it is a free country they are allowed to do what they please.

Talking about building on Native american land doesn't quite do it for me.

As we have pretty much made it our land, and that is not what we want happening here. I would much prefer the constitution over dictatorship.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478180 - 09/16/10 02:54 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Whether it is a free country or not people will still disagree with things.

It is a free country yet we cannot light a joint if we please.

It is a free country and a man talking about burning a quran caused a shitstorm.

I also disagree with burning a quran, but as it is a free country they are allowed to do what they please.




Then why are you arguing against the islamic center?  There's no logical reason why anyone would oppose this islamic center.  It's ironic we have the same people who support our troops fight for "freedom" against the freedom to build this mosque, which really isn't even a mosque.  It's an islamic center.  A mosque is purely a religious building which this is not.





I just do not find it appropriate that is all.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478183 - 09/16/10 02:57 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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It's a couple blocks from ground zero, not across the street with big signs that say we hate America.




Not all of them hate america, there is plenty of good muslim americans.

I think almost all of the ones who live in America like this country.

Just the other day I seen one on youtube speaking out against illegal immigration (Mexican/U.S border). He was probably more patriotic than some of the white people in this country.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478187 - 09/16/10 03:00 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I wasn't aware of that information.




We both know it is common knowledge.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478189 - 09/16/10 03:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it better to be appropriate or free?





Free.

In a post 9/11 America I just see it as an inappropriate location.


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478192 - 09/16/10 03:16 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it better to be appropriate or free?





Free.

In a post 9/11 America I just see it as an inappropriate location.




What better memorial of strength and freedom could there be than that of tolerance?





It's not a big issue to me, I live on the other side of the U.S pretty much. I just see it from the viewpoint of the families that lost someone on 9/11, making me think it is inappropriate.

I would also go on to say that we are not 100% free, since we cannot smoke marijuana, gays cannot get married in most places.

Marijuana is a much bigger issue to me, especially when our founding fathers, the people who wrote the constitution, used to smoke it, and the constitution is even written in hemp. If we are really following in their footsteps, there is no question that it would be legal.

One of my sisters is lesbian and cannot get married in our state.


People were not allowed to take a camera to the effected beaches during the gulf oil spill, that violated the constitution.

During Katrina guns were being taken from good American homes. That was against the constitution.

You can pull the freedom card and use it in this instance, to me it seems that we are on a slow slippery slope into a police state. Some people think that the problem on our Mexican border, the fact that Obama is letting it get worse and worse could send us further down that slope. There is plenty of things happening that is against the constitution as we speak, a good start and something to look at is the patriot act. So go ahead and pull the freedom card.





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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478209 - 09/16/10 03:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Most of the pictures you see are most likely before they restricted the area.

I am going off topic because you want to bring freedom into the argument, where our freedoms can and have been stripped during recent times.

We are not 100% free as you are stating.

I was not really arguing against it as it may look that way, I just think it is an inappropriate location.

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While all those issues could be argued constitutionally none of them are outlined in black and white in the first amendment.




Freedom of press - Gulf oil spill
Freedom to bear arms - Katrina


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Re: Important 9/11 Issue. Please vote. [Re: THEBats]
    #478216 - 09/16/10 03:48 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Most of the pictures you see are most likely before they restricted the area.

I am going off topic because you want to bring freedom into the argument, where our freedoms can and have been stripped during recent times.

We are not 100% free as you are stating.

I was not really arguing against it as it may look that way, I just think it is an inappropriate location.





I was merely arguing those who wish to diminish freedom don't belong in this country.






They run this country, and it is not only limited to this country.


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