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 Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread.  [Re: THEBats]
#464408 - 08/20/10 05:43 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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THEBats said:
Anyways, back on topic, it still comes down to evidence we can hold, prove and verify. Also as far as technology the government has, how would I know? The government has withhold many designs that they've later released. I'm also not in anyway a physicist so I could not possibly explain how it could occur otherwise. But again I stress that does not mean there can't be other explanations. Logic and rationalization can only go to far.
Yes I understand there may be other explanations and I also except that.
But for me, its not that irrational at all to believe that were are in some
way being visited. We are still wearing our cosmic diapers. We may not be
the first on this planet and we may not be the last.
But we cant keep this debate up for much longer. Sad to say there is only
so much for us to bring to the table here. Maybe agree to disagree for now
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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
#464409 - 08/20/10 05:48 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Agreed. I don't think it's irrational to believe such. Just as an admirer of science and psychologist in training I must try my best and practice separating rationalities from empirical evidence.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day. 
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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: THEBats]
#464410 - 08/20/10 05:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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No other natural occurrence is known in this
world that can be viewed in a similar way. Except if you create certain
tones underneath a flat laying bed of water. But thats not a natural event
Some people believe this is how they may be created because of the connection to the fact that most of these formations are found to be on top
of underground bodies of water.
I cant find anything on this.
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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: King Koopa]
#464414 - 08/20/10 06:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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King Koopa said:
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No other natural occurrence is known in this
world that can be viewed in a similar way. Except if you create certain
tones underneath a flat laying bed of water. But thats not a natural event
Some people believe this is how they may be created because of the connection to the fact that most of these formations are found to be on top
of underground bodies of water.
I cant find anything on this.
Try this out for now. Keep in mind this is not where I first read about
this information.
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/belinda.htm
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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: King Koopa]
#464415 - 08/20/10 06:06 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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King Koopa said:
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No other natural occurrence is known in this
world that can be viewed in a similar way. Except if you create certain
tones underneath a flat laying bed of water. But thats not a natural event
Some people believe this is how they may be created because of the connection to the fact that most of these formations are found to be on top
of underground bodies of water.
I cant find anything on this.
Try this out for now. Keep in mind this is not where I first read about
this information.
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/belinda.htm
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/sounds1.html
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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
#464417 - 08/20/10 06:10 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are a number of observations that have been made over the years that seem to indicate that there are particular characteristics that "genuine" (or non-mandmade) formations appear to exhibit. Some of the observations are listed below:
In what kind of crops do they occur?Crop circles have been reported in mostly barley and wheat. But, they also appear in corn, oats, oilseed rape (canola), grass, ricefields, trees, sand, and even snow.
Where do they appear? They have appeared on almost every continent and in over 70 countries worldwide -- including the US, Canada, Australia, Brasil, Russia, India, Germany, and South Africa. There seems to be a correlation with many forming near ancient sites.
Physical changes of plants and soil - not only does the physical appearance of seem to change (it looks dehydrated), but there is change at the molecular level. Research has been conducted over a ten year period with samples and thorough laboratory testing carried out by the biophysicist Dr. Levengood, Nancy Talbott, and John Burks -- the BLT Research Team, and a small army of volunteers worldwide. Their findings include enlarged cell walls, expulsion cavities in the nodes of the plant stalks, significantly extended node lengths, and changes to the soil composition (ie. vastly higher level of magnetite concentration) from samples taken within the crop formations in contrast to the control samples taken from outside the circles.
Reported increase in crop yield - Some farmers and researchers have independently reported greater yield in the years following the appearance of formations in their fields. In 1997, Tim Carson who farms East Field (where the "DNA" formation appeared in 1996) reported to researchers that his yield was up 30-40%. The increased yield that usually only comes with annual rehybridization (done in labs) remains the same level even in up to 5th generation crops coming from crop circles, according to researcher Steve Purkaple.
Swirl in multiple directions - many formations have complex woven patterns of the swirled crops. Not only do the plants in the formation swirl clockwise or counter-clockwise, but sometimes certain sections will swirl one direction and layers on top are going another direction. They sometimes even have multiple layers swirled in different directions.
Woven stalks - Other times the stalks are actually woven like a piece of loose cloth on the floor of the formation. This has been observed by various researchers in the UK.
Selective swirling - Even though the edges are clearly defined, sometimes stalks from the outside edge are pulled into the formation. This doesn't seem to be too unusual, but actually certain stalks from the middle of a grouping of plants gets pulled in. The ones closest to the formation do not. And this occurs around the entire edge of the crop circle. Very meticulous!
Equipment malfunctions - There have been numerous reports of electronic equipment failing in crop circles and compasses spinning out of control in & over the crop circles (when flying over in aircraft). This range of equipment includes watches, mobile phones, batteries, cameras... fortunately no pacemakers yet! No explanations for these occurences, other than the indication of a strong EM field distortions.
Formations "transform" into new patterns - There have been instances where certain formations take on an entirely different appearance as they continue to grow in the field. For example, one formation got a wavy look within the center of the circle that wasn't there originally.
Unusual bending of plant stalks - It's a widely publicized fact that plants within a formation actually bend at the naturally occuring nodes 90 degrees. This can also happen in hoaxed formations where the plant is pressed to the ground and "bends" to reach towards the light. This process known as phototropism is more pronounced in younger stalks, often reaching up towards the light in 1-2 days. However, what isn't well-known is that there is more than one possible place for bent nodes. Some formations have had stalks all bent from the same node (there are up to a half dozen nodes on one plant). Some formations show bending at the knuckle closest to the ground, yet in a neighboring section they all bend two knuckles up and so on. In the line of ~24 circles in Windmill Hill in 2000, virtually all the stalks were bent 1/4" beneath the nodes, though at completely different heights (1" to 6" range) from the ground. This means that each stalk would have to be bent individually to give that effect.
Occur far from any tramlines - many formations and plain circular "grapeshots" often occur in the middle of fields far from any tramlines without any disturbance of the surrounding crop (which is detectable). Good example is the 1996 formation in Basingstoke, Hampshire where a circle with a ring was put inside the middle of an organic oilseed rape field that had no tramlines at all and the crop was 4-5 feet tall!
Formations occur inside restricted areas - numerous accounts of crop circles appearing inside military installations that are fenced off (quite securely!) from the surrounding area. Most noteably in Wiltshire along the Salisbury Plain. Are Doug and Dave in the Army?
Geophysical features - One common denominator of many of the crop formations is that they occur over underground water supplies and land situated above chalk beds, according to researcher Steve Page. Water is a good conductor of electrical current, and could possibly be channeling the electromagnetic currents of the Earth (which is what dowsers attempt to detect). This observation may have something to do with how some crop circles are formed.
Sacred geometry - Researchers have discovered layers within layers of information contained in the crop circles themselves. There are sacred ratios, such as phi, that governs the growth process of all organic life. This is an area that requires more attention and resources, as perhaps this understanding could reveal a message or at least "higher intelligence" behind these artistic patterns.
Physical side effects - Many people mention having some sort of physical reaction (positive or negative) during and after a visit to a crop formation. Side effects range from nausea, headaches, dizziness, tingling sensations, pains amd giddiness... to getting literally knocked off their feet! Sometimes the effects are felt only after leaving the formation, such as sickness or disruption to the mentrual cycle, which could be affected by the surge of energies absorbed from within the formation.
Alignment with natural features of the land - This isn't apparent from the ground, but aerial photographs have shown that often formations are imprinted on the earth in alignment with tram lines or even darkened sections on the earth. This is an impossiblity without been able to see "the big picture" before permanently laying out the design.
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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
#466861 - 08/24/10 08:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Famed Physicist Michio Kaku Says Close to a "Smoking Gun" on UFOs
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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
#466893 - 08/24/10 09:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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UFOs 'On The Record': Generals, Pilots And Government Officials Talk About What They Know (PHOTOS)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/23/ufo-on-the-record_n_689518.html#s129350
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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
#471689 - 09/03/10 12:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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After UK MOD UFO X-Files which had reveled UFO incidents ,that includes pilot's 'Near Miss' with UFO at Manchester Airport, UK and some top secret UFO facts like Churchill had ordered a 50-Year cover-up on UFOs fearing, it would create mass panic and destroy one's belief in the church. And yesterday Chinese Astronomer and USA Physicist had also told the world that UFO Are Real.
Now France - UFO Phenomenon is real and definitely extraterrestrial origin.
A new French report released on May 31, 2010 concluded that UFOs are definitely real and possibly of extraterrestrial origin.
The Progress Report of the Sigma/3AF Commission comes from a highly credible source, the Aeronautical & Astronomical Association of France, known as the 3AF, which established a Commission on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena back in May 2008.
The Commission’s President is Alain Boudier, a former French Defense attaché, and one of its key members is Jean-Gabriel Greslé, a former fighter pilot who studied at the U.S. Air Force Academy and later became an airliner pilot with Air France, where he experienced a couple of UFO sightings. Greslé has published three UFO books in France, including Unidentified Flying Objects: An Airline Pilot Talks (Guy Trédaniel, 1993).
The Sigma/3AF is not a final report but just a work in progress document; nevertheless, it provides good background material on the history of official UFO research in France, a balance of Sigma’s work during the last two years, a brief description of the most significant French cases, and some comments and conclusions. The report begins with a brief history of French official UFO research, which is quite extensive: “France is the only country where the collection of Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena (PAN in French) and its scientific study have been assigned since 1977 to a civilian official organization, the CNES (National Center for Space Studies, the French space agency) through the GEPAN study group.”
After a short description of this unit, now known as GEIPAN (Study and Information Group on Aerospace Unidentified Phenomena), the report outlines other official or quasi-official French studies, including the famous COMETA (Committee for In-Depth Studies) Report of 1999, issued by a group of high-ranking retired French military and intelligence officers, which concluded that UFOs were real and probably extraterrestrial.
Members of the Sigma/3AF Commission also met representatives of many other official French military and intelligence organizations that had some UFO involvement in the past. These included the National Gendarmerie, which has collected UFO reports systematically since the 1960s; the General Secretariat of National Defense, which issued an interesting report a few years ago (although I am not aware that it was ever released to the public); the Air Force; and one of France’s intelligence services, the General Directorate for External Security, which admitted through an “authorized source” that UFOs have been monitored by the agency since the early sixties.
The section on "the most important French cases" provides then a very short descriptions of the following according to "Sigma/3AF" outstanding five incidents:
1. A mass UFO sighting in Madagascar in 1954
2. The landing and close encounters in Valensole in 1965, which was documented by the police
3. The no less famous landing in Trans-en-Provence in 1981
4. A similar case from 1982 (both cases were investigated by the armored and were each published in their reports # 16 and # 17)
5. The sighting of a UFO by several witnesses, between Biarritz and Strasbourg in 1990.
In the Comments section, the Sigma/3AF report uses unambiguous language, for instance: “No natural phenomenon can account for the majority of observation reports accompanied by electromagnetic detections made by one or several radars. Both the defense services and air traffic control have been confronted a number of times around the world with unknown aerial intrusions or artificially induced phenomena.”
Later on, the report goes on to say, “The behavior of these devices during encounters with fighter jets or interceptors – some have participated in real swirling battles in the U.S. – suggests they are controlled, guided or led by particularly sophisticated automation.” And then again, “the air superiority of the craft concerned, if they are indeed crafts, is such that none of the many interceptions which have been made against them, in the United States for example, have been able to overcome one of these devices.”
After outlining a number of characteristics exhibited by UFOs, such as “remarkable accelerations of the craft right after a stationary mode,” the report indicates: “We feel that we must reject the thesis of a terrestrial origin for all the observations made since World War Two. Indeed, if a nation of the world had been able to secretly develop such an armada of exotic craft, like those observed for more than half a century, the means of analysis and strategic logistics available would have permitted their rapid identification.
The illegal overflights which they have been guilty of conducting could constitute a casus belli [cause for war].” The Sigma/3AF experts go on to state that, “the above features suggest that in many cases the devices detected, far from being unidentified, are easily recognizable by the aerial defense agencies as part of a technology far ahead of ours.” And later: “We have been unable to get any serious indication as to the origin of the aerospace phenomena that is the subject of our research. The technological elements that we selected… allow us to draw some assumptions about the aircraft in question, which do not seem to belong to an identifiable terrestrial technology at the times when they were observed.”
The Sigma/3AF report finally agrees with COMETA’s conclusion that we are probably facing an ET presence. That conclusion was quite controversial for a semi-official study like COMETA back in 1999 and was criticized by many in the French press. Yet the Sigma/3AF Commission found no quarrel with it.
“Thus, the central hypothesis proposed by the COMETA report still cannot be rejected up to this day and remains perfectly credible,” they wrote. “Many documents and materials examined by the authors of this report confirm it. We have therefore retained, among some others but only as a working hypothesis, the possibility that most of the craft observed can have a non-terrestrial origin.”
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