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What have we been saying for a long time now. It is a waste of money and resources to keep up this war on MJ when it could be put to fight other thing and the government would make money on the legalization of it. Welcome to the present time politicians and news people.
-------------------- Just smoke a bowl and get over your self We are human beings first everything else is second
You can not hold anything I post against me for I am delusional
YEA!!!!!!!!!!! I still really dont like glen beck. But having people like him and palin voicing that opinion is a damn great thing. Sooo many people will change their opinion simply based on what these people say, but I (or you) could explain the situation to teh same people for hours and not sway the opinion. It sucks that people ride on the coat tails of others opinions but we need those people with us.
Quote: DungenessDank said: It was their idea all along. damn hippies trying to steal their glory.
Watch that will be what they say lol. FurrowedBrow you are right as well. I do not like either of them too but if they start saying it then some of their party will go along with it so it will help our cause, just the thought of them helping us is scary lol
-------------------- Just smoke a bowl and get over your self We are human beings first everything else is second
You can not hold anything I post against me for I am delusional
-------------------- kickin-two-hundo said: you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
Conservatives like William F Buckley have been pushing drug legalization for a very long time. It's just now what you see as mainstream conservatism, in America, is being defined by groups like christian conservatives, which brings with it all kinds of morality based legislation
Buckley in 2004:
"Conservatives pride themselves on resisting change, which is as it should be. But intelligent deference to tradition and stability can evolve into intellectual sloth and moral fanaticism, as when conservatives simply decline to look up from dogma because the effort to raise their heads and reconsider is too great. The laws aren't exactly indefensible, because practically nothing is, and the thunderers who tell us to stay the course can always find one man or woman who, having taken marijuana, moved on to severe mental disorder. But that argument, to quote myself, is on the order of saying that every rapist began by masturbating. General rules based on individual victims are unwise. And although there is a perfectly respectable case against using marijuana, the penalties imposed on those who reject that case, or who give way to weakness of resolution, are very difficult to defend. If all our laws were paradigmatic, imagine what we would do to anyone caught lighting a cigarette, or drinking a beer. Or — exulting in life in the paradigm — committing adultery. Send them all to Guantanamo?
Legal practices should be informed by realities. These are enlightening, in the matter of marijuana. There are approximately 700,000 marijuana-related arrests made very year. Most of these — 87 percent — involve nothing more than mere possession of small amounts of marijuana. This exercise in scrupulosity costs us $10-15 billion per year in direct expenditures alone. Most transgressors caught using marijuana aren't packed away to jail, but some are, and in Alabama, if you are convicted three times of marijuana possession, they'll lock you up for 15 years to life. Professor Ethan Nadelmann, of the Drug Policy Alliance, writing in National Review, estimates at 100,000 the number of Americans currently behind bars for one or another marijuana offense.
What we face is the politician's fear of endorsing any change in existing marijuana laws. You can imagine what a call for reform in those laws would do to an upward mobile political figure. Gary Johnson, governor of New Mexico, came out in favor of legalization — and went on to private life. George Shultz, former secretary of state, long ago called for legalization, but he was not running for office, and at his age, and with his distinctions, he is immune to slurred charges of indifference to the fate of children and humankind. But Kurt Schmoke, mayor of Baltimore, did it, and survived a reelection challenge.
But the stodgy inertia most politicians feel is up against a creeping reality. It is that marijuana for medical relief is a movement which is attracting voters who are pretty assertive on the subject. Every state ballot initiative to legalize medical marijuana has been approved, often by wide margins. Of course we have here collisions of federal and state authority. Federal authority technically supervenes state laws, but federal authority in the matter is being challenged on grounds of medical self-government. It simply isn't so that there are substitutes equally efficacious. Richard Brookhiser, the widely respected author and editor, has written on the subject for The New York Observer. He had a bout of cancer and found relief from chemotherapy only in marijuana — which he consumed, and discarded after the affliction was gone.
The court has told federal enforcers that they are not to impose their way between doctors and their patients, and one bill sitting about in Congress would even deny the use of federal funds for prosecuting medical marijuana use. Critics of reform do make a pretty plausible case when they say that whatever is said about using marijuana only for medical relief masks what the advocates are really after, which is legal marijuana for whoever wants it.
That would be different from the situation today. Today we have illegal marijuana for whoever wants it. An estimated 100 million Americans have smoked marijuana at least once, the great majority, abandoning its use after a few highs. But to stop using it does not close off its availability. A Boston commentator observed years ago that it is easier for an 18-year old to get marijuana in Cambridge than to get beer. Vendors who sell beer to minors can forfeit their valuable licenses. It requires less effort for the college student to find marijuana than for a sailor to find a brothel. Still, there is the danger of arrest (as 700,000 people a year will tell you), of possible imprisonment, of blemish on one's record. The obverse of this is increased cynicism about the law.
We're not going to find someone running for president who advocates reform of those laws. What is required is a genuine republican groundswell. It is happening, but ever so gradually. Two of every five Americans, according to a 2003 Zogby poll cited by Dr. Nadelmann, believe "the government should treat marijuana more or less the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and make it illegal only for children."
Such reforms would hugely increase the use of the drug? Why? It is de facto legal in the Netherlands, and the percentage of users there is the same as here. The Dutch do odd things, but here they teach us a lesson."
Quote: DungenessDank said: It was their idea all along. damn hippies trying to steal their glory.
Really it was the progressives who made drugs illegal in the first place. Conservatives have historically thought of it as a states rights issue and that the federal government should have little say in the matter. It was a democrat who signed the marijuana tax act into law, FDR, and one of the major oppositions to marijuana becoming illegal, mayor La Guardia of New York, who commissioned a whole report done on the issue that found no reason marijuana should be made illegal was a republican.
-------------------- kickin-two-hundo said: you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
I think where things went wrong is when the party become a symbol for the religious right. Things kinda got a little turned around.
-------------------- kickin-two-hundo said: you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
Quote: THEBats said: I think where things went wrong is when the party become a symbol for the religious right. Things kinda got a little turned around.
I agree so much about that. When they started caring so much about "christian values" they really fucked themselves over.
Honestly if the right got over the whole christian values shit I would agree with a lot more of their policies and ideas.
-------------------- "Je pense, donc je suis (I am thinking, therefore I am)." -Rene Descartes
Quote: THEBats said: I think where things went wrong is when the party become a symbol for the religious right. Things kinda got a little turned around.
They did that because of how big the christian base is and they needed the support and money these groups can raise.
-------------------- Just smoke a bowl and get over your self We are human beings first everything else is second
You can not hold anything I post against me for I am delusional
I don't think it was collectively planned that way though. Just too many issues that are related to ethics, abortion, gay rights, contraceptives ect became a black and white debate. True conservatism died shortly following WW2 and by the 60's it was long gone.
-------------------- kickin-two-hundo said: you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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