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FRACTALife said:
you want to be cleansed?
I have a guaranteed cleanse for you.

2 weeks- no drugs, no meat, no dairy. Just veggies and fruits, a little bread, and eat hemp. Also no sex... well maybe tantric sex.

also lots of meditation every single day and time outside with nature

a lot of clean water

all this for 2 weeks.


Once it has been 2 weeks ingest a large dose of ayahuasca.

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thats intense, im going to do this when i have 2 weeks of free.

im not sure if ayahuasca is going to be my choice though

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drawde said:
Hey, if your serious about this PM me if you like and you can have a discussion with someone who knows the subject.

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I agree with furrowed on this one. I'm absolutely serious about this, but I think we should have the discussion in the public forum so that anyone else who's curious can learn from our talks and give it a try too. You'd be surprised how many health-conscious people are on this board, and how many may benefit from your knowledge

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Fair enough. First I think you should elaborate on what your goals are with such a diet, current diet/lifestyle, what changes your willing to make, etc. Its all about what will work with you because optimizing health can really go farther than any sane person is willing to take it.

edit: thanks for the rating dude but Im not a raw foodist... I just know a bit more about it than the average person.

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Well current lifestyle; Very busy. I do my best to eat healthy, but there's probably 6-10 times a week where I'm busy or just lazy and end up ordering delivery or going to like Einstein Bagels for breakfast or something. Not exactly terrible eating habits, but they could definitely be better. As for exercise I basically never stop moving. I play tennis, disc golf, ride my bike or go hiking almost every single day. The problem is that my eating habits are not conducive to my active lifestyle and that's my main reason for wanting this diet. I can basically feel all the old shitty food just sitting in my gut and I feel very weighed down for some reason. I feel like doing a week or two stint of raw foods (and who knows, could end up being a forever thing if the change is drastic and positive enough) primarily to cleanse my gut and all the other toxins from my body. I'm willing to really do whatever is necessary to get as healthy as possible. I'm committed to a raw foods diet, but open to alternative suggestions if you think there's a smarter, or healthier diet idea I should consider.

Oh, and I changed your rating

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drawde said:
Hey, if your serious about this PM me if you like and you can have a discussion with someone who knows the subject.

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I agree with furrowed on this one. I'm absolutely serious about this, but I think we should have the discussion in the public forum so that anyone else who's curious can learn from our talks and give it a try too. You'd be surprised how many health-conscious people are on this board, and how many may benefit from your knowledge

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This is why i put the` time into my post Never know whos gonna read it, never know whos gonna decide to make the change and every person counts ! i hate thinking about how much pollution eating the products i buy from supermarkets and shit makes, thats why i want to grow everything i need to consume plant matter wise, kill 1 cow a year, and fish my own fish.

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Inbred_gimp said:
thats why i want to grow everything i need to consume plant matter wise, kill 1 cow a year, and fish my own fish.

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Inbred_gimp said:
This is why i put the` time into my post Never know whos gonna read it, never know whos gonna decide to make the change and every person counts ! i hate thinking about how much pollution eating the products i buy from supermarkets and shit makes, thats why i want to grow everything i need to consume plant matter wise, kill 1 cow a year, and fish my own fish.

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kyuzo said:
I always found the best step in situations like this is to start keeping a journal of when and what you eat and drink. 

It will need to be a bit detailed, with youcalculating the amount of calories per day, protein, carbs and fat. This way you have an idea of what you're working with, and can easily recognize any obvious issues, and then start working from there (think of it as someone asking you what's wrong with their grow w/o outlining their growing conditions).


Also, if you're a vegetarian, pay special attention to your protein intake, especially if you're living an active lifestyle (for endurance athletes I think the recommended intake is1-1.5 grams per day).

But for two quick fixes to that bloated feeling after meals, I would just drink more water (shoot for a gallon per day), and try breaking your meals down to 5-6 small snacks/meals per day.

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Though I would never do it, there's a big movement with eating raw meat, as part of a raw diet.

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drawde said:
You seem to eat a fair amount of animal products, so the first thing I would recommend is starting off slowly or the transition could be a pretty big shock to your system. . If you gradually eat more and more raw whole foods, you will likely feel a lot better and be much more inclined to stick to it if you change everything all at once and feel like crap after a week or two.  Its all about what works for YOU.

Raw food diets are pretty much pure vegetarian unless you do the whole raw milk thing which seems questionable at best. Good news though, the benefit of a plant based diet is becoming realized more and more by science.

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I don't generally eat that much meat, so I guess my list was slightly mis representative in that regard. I do however eat a fair amount of just plain animal products (yogurt, milk, cheese etc). I'm going to slowly wean myself off that by continuing sashimi and cold smoked salmon as well as some raw fresh mozzarella and raw goat cheese. That way I'm still raw but while maintaining a certain amount of animal products to not try and shock my body too hard.

What I've eaten today;

Breakfast-
Banana
Apple cut into slices and dipped into raw cashew butter.

Delicious and filling

Snacks-
Brocolli and carrots used as chips with hummus

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Salad with spinach, kale, walnuts, avocado, craisins, and sprouts (broccoli and alfalfa).  The dressing technically had toasted sesame oil in it, but I think if that's the worst transgression then I'm doing really freakin' well.



As for my body type, I'm an ectomorph but not freakishly skinny. I used to be around 5'9" and 115lbs but in the last 5 years I've put considerable effort into working out and bulking up with some muscle so I'm right at around 140lb right now. very low amount of body fat as always because I'm very active and athletic.


Thanks for the detailed post!

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kyuzo said:
"However, I just want to say that the vegetarians and protein stigma that has seemed to be around forever is pretty much bunk. If you eat a varied enough diet, you really do not have to worry about protein at all."

Sure, but the problem is that people don't put that much thought into it and basically stick with their standard, unhealthy, diet, but now without the meat.

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I literally know dozens of veg-heads who eat stuff like french fries and and white pasta for every meal.  And chances are, if you're eating like that, you're probably not getting enough protein

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"Raw food diets are pretty much pure vegetarian unless you do the whole raw milk thing which seems questionable at best."

Though I would never do it, there's a big movement with eating raw meat, as part of a raw diet.

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Harry_Ba11sach said:

I feel animal products supply certain necessary nutrients that plants simply don't produce.

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I'm going to slowly wean myself off that by continuing sashimi and cold smoked salmon as well as some raw fresh mozzarella and raw goat cheese. That way I'm still raw but while maintaining a certain amount of animal products to not try and shock my body too hard.

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Raw milk and raw dairy products may carry many types of disease-causing germs such as Campylobacter, Escherichia coli, Listeria, Salmonella, Yersinia, and Brucella. When raw milk or raw milk products become contaminated, people who eat the contaminated foods can get sick. Here are a few examples of outbreaks that have been reported since 2000:

2001: Outbreak of Campylobacter jejuni infections from drinking "raw" or unpasteurized milk.
2003: Outbreak of Listeria monocytogenes infections from eating unpasteurized queso fresco (a Mexican-style soft cheese)
2003: Outbreak of Salmonella infections from eating unpasteurized queso fresco.
2004: Outbreak of E. coli.O157 infections from eating unpasteurized queso fresco

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Salad with spinach, kale, walnuts, avocado, craisins, and sprouts (broccoli and alfalfa).  The dressing technically had toasted sesame oil in it, but I think if that's the worst transgression then I'm doing really freakin' well.

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Harry_Ba11sach said:

I feel animal products supply certain necessary nutrients that plants simply don't produce.

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Not necessarily true... the only vitamin/nutrient that there is not a reliable plant source for is Vitamin B12, and even then the agreement upon that is sketchy. Many argue that as a reason man is not truly vegetarian, but some prominent nutritionists are now claiming the reason for this is the lack of fertility in our chemed-out soil. There have even been studies showing meat-eaters to be deficient. Either way B12 supplementation costs like 7 cents a day.

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I guess I wasn't talking necessarily about vitamins specifically, just in general that the tissue types are completely different so logically there are bound to be some differences in their nutritional content. Even if it's just a type of protein, amino acid.


So I made a similar thread on the shroomery and someone posted this in response. I'm curious to get your thoughts on it;



Food For Thought: Meat-Based Diet Made Us Smarter
Here's another great article. 

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As we slice up the turnip and put the potatoes in a pot, Wrangham explains that even after we started eating meat, raw food just didn't pack the energy to build the big-brained, small-toothed modern human. He cites research that showed that people on a raw food diet, including meat and oil, lost a lot of weight. Many said they felt better, but also experienced chronic energy deficiency. And half the women in the experiment stopped menstruating.

It's not as if raw food isn't nutritious; it's just harder for the body to get at the nutrition.

Wrangham urges me to try some raw turnip. Not too bad, but hardly enough to get the juices flowing. "They've got a tremendous amount of caloric energy in them," he says. "The problem is that it's in the form of starch, which unless you cook it, does not give you very much."

Then there's all the chewing that raw food requires. Chimps, for example, sometimes chew for six hours a day. That actually consumes a lot of energy.

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Harry_Ba11sach said:
ahh well fuck, I honestly didn't know that about the hummus. I guess I need to buy some raw chickpeas and make some myself then because hummus is delicious and a great way to get some fiber and protein.

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I guess I wasn't talking necessarily about vitamins specifically, just in general that the tissue types are completely different so logically there are bound to be some differences in their nutritional content. Even if it's just a type of protein, amino acid.

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Here is the amino acid profile of beef steak:


Now lets look at, oh lets say a potato:

http://nutritiondata.self.com/

If there is any amino acid in a less than par ratio the blue segments are shown as grey.
The potato is only behind in score, which is availability... but its not far behind now is it? It still has all nine essential amino acids the body cannot make present.

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So I made a similar thread on the shroomery and someone posted this in response. I'm curious to get your thoughts on it;

Food For Thought: Meat-Based Diet Made Us Smarter
Here's another great article.

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