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 Kilroy
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 so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught 
#443977 - 07/09/10 10:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have an idea that might help with this. Buy your lighting system you want to use. grow some tomatoes and or peppers in your grow room and see how much your bill goes up(you can sell the produce at farmers market or a local restaurant would probably buy them as well) and if you in an area that might come and check, you have the proof that you are doing nothing wrong and anymore visits would qualify as harassment. While you are doing this you can also fine tune your room to fit what you really want. This is just a suggestion to those who are unsure. Happy growing everyone.
P.S. if you do what the others say to do about be better about shutting light off and use cfl bulbs in everything it will make the difference you need too, this is just for those who are super worried.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Kilroy]
#444118 - 07/09/10 12:23 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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YEAH! Even if you don't care about the electric bill, you should produce some of your own food...its extremely gratifying, and you can be 100% organic, when the season is right, you can even move seedlings of your veggies, etc. outside, using the lights as a starter for a better harvest.
Locally produced food FTW! 
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Kilroy
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: 81renaissance]
#444129 - 07/09/10 12:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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81renaissance said:
YEAH! Even if you don't care about the electric bill, you should produce some of your own food...its extremely gratifying, and you can be 100% organic, when the season is right, you can even move seedlings of your veggies, etc. outside, using the lights as a starter for a better harvest.
Locally produced food FTW!
I have a garden outside every year so yes I agree with you. I think they taste better and I have my kids help with it so when they move out someday they can grow their own as well. This is what my parents did and it helps you to appreciate the food you grow and eat more.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Kilroy]
#444794 - 07/11/10 03:58 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wtf are you talking about; no one has the right to tell you how much power you can use and how you can use it.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: fungi]
#444894 - 07/11/10 11:56 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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fungi said:
Wtf are you talking about; no one has the right to tell you how much power you can use and how you can use it.
Don't worry about standing out. You do.
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Kilroy
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: fungi]
#444922 - 07/11/10 01:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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fungi said:
Wtf are you talking about; no one has the right to tell you how much power you can use and how you can use it.
How many people have been busted because their electric went up really fast and they either sent one of their workers(electric company) or informed the wrong people(5-O) about it. I see people who still ask about the electric bills in the forums. This is just a way they can see how much it might go up or by how much it will increase without worrying about them knocking on their door and even if they do, you can show them that you are growing vegies in doors. You can also take this time to perfect your grow room. I thought I explained it pretty well in the first post but I guess not.
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Edited by Kilroy (07/11/10 01:03 PM)
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Kilroy]
#445301 - 07/12/10 12:00 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok I guess I'm wrong yet again. Sorry. Man relearning things sucks, you forget tons and then seem like a dumb ass to everyone posting incorrect info.
I guess if it is summer in your area, they somewhat expect higher electric usage because of AC. So I wouldn't worry in that respect about increasing power somewhat. Really depends on two variables; size of operation and what you live in.
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Kilroy
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: fungi]
#445320 - 07/12/10 12:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have looked through several post and see some are just super worried this will be how they get caught, and I understand this, because I am a worry wart as well. I have already switched all my light bulbs and trying to be better about shutting off unused lights and t.v.s and all that, plus getting my kids to do it is even harder(lol). I plan to turn down my ac when I start as well, if I can not put up with a little heat then I must not really love this wonderful plant.
And you are right as well. Size of grow is a big factor. I am going the smaller route with mine so I am not to worried and like you said it being summer and I turn down AC they would not even notice, and more likey with the ones who are so worried, unless they are planning a super grow set up will probably have nothing to worry about either but they still wonder what if, so this just gives them kind of a safety net.
I would also like to say, I am plzed with the way you have been acting latey fungi and I hope you keep it up.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Kilroy]
#445546 - 07/12/10 06:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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to add to this
In the heat of the summer, my 3 fans, 250 watts of cfl, and keeping the AC lower has raised my electic bill about $20 a month.
I think at least half of that is AC.
No worries for small grows
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KaptKid
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 Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: muse42]
#446085 - 07/13/10 09:24 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I run 2, 1000 watt lights,inline fan, intake and exhaust fans,2 fans for moving air in room and a/c.
$150 a month and the a/c is the single biggest elect user.
I spent $450 in elect for 40 Oz's plus soil.
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Kilroy
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: KaptKid]
#446087 - 07/13/10 09:46 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is a very nice deal $450 for 40 Ozs. really 150 a month for all that does not seem bad at all. I have seen other post which pretty much say that you will not have that big of an increase but you still see several people post still worrying about it. I was going to do the cfl grow because of this worry myself but after reading and also being told by many respected members here and seeing their grow logs to just go with either a 400 or 600 hid(more than likely the 600 for the price difference it makes more sense). I do not have a lot of room at this time so this will be plenty.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Kilroy]
#446115 - 07/13/10 11:54 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I grow in 30 cubic feet. I use CFL's because of space and heat. Even with 250 watts of CFL's the temps are hard to keep below 80. Maybe during the winter I can upgrade the light.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: muse42]
#446137 - 07/14/10 01:24 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd be more worried about ordering from hydroponic stores online. 5-0 watches the purchases of hydroponic stores to see who is growing..
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: starrider]
#446200 - 07/14/10 10:26 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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You best believe they pay attention to the stores in town too, so lets everyone just not grow anymore..
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Kilroy
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: DieselB]
#446202 - 07/14/10 10:30 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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why are you guys messing with my already high paranoia lol. Now you got me thinking that I need to use a safe house to make my orders and have them sent to. I was starting to relax about this.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: starrider]
#446365 - 07/14/10 05:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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starrider said:
I'd be more worried about ordering from hydroponic stores online. 5-0 watches the purchases of hydroponic stores to see who is growing..
This is pretty much a myth. They would have WAY too many people to track down if they were doing that. It would cost WAY too much money in man hours to track down all sorts of little piss ant grows that wouldn't be worth their time, or big enough for publicity. They really only want to shut down people growing on a large scale.
Now if someone tips them off that some one is growing, they will investigate. But not just because your shopping somewhere. They would have to get warrants to get that info. And for a warrant you need to have some sort of reasonable suspicion.
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#446437 - 07/14/10 08:35 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Worried about power usage? Use one of these to slash the bill. You can run 2 1000watt lights for a little over the price of running one. Just gotta have an extra dryer oulet put in. Running the lights thru the 220 or 240volt plug(I can't remember which one it is) it takes less amps to run the lights. Plus theres extra 110 plugs on it, to run timers and pumps
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KaptKid
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Jeff Funk]
#446458 - 07/14/10 09:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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You got a link for that?
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: KaptKid]
#446479 - 07/14/10 09:48 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually that's a pic of my power box. Let me see if I can find one on the web.
And here's that link: http://www.rvfgardensupply.com/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=734057
I do know a ballast plugged into a 110 outlet pulls around 9.5 amps of electricity, when using that box it only pulls 5 amps.
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Edited by Jeff Funk (07/14/10 10:02 PM)
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Kilroy
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Jeff Funk]
#446604 - 07/15/10 08:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thank you for this and I am sure others will appreciate it too.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Jeff Funk]
#447599 - 07/17/10 03:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Jeff Funk said:
Worried about power usage? Use one of these to slash the bill. You can run 2 1000watt lights for a little over the price of running one. Just gotta have an extra dryer oulet put in. Running the lights thru the 220 or 240volt plug(I can't remember which one it is) it takes less amps to run the lights. Plus theres extra 110 plugs on it, to run timers and pumps
If this is a myth, than why 1989 did the DEA subpoenaed records of a company that advertised hydroponic growing equipment in High Times. This information was forwarded to local law enforcement.
Let's see i 1993 the Thrid Circuit upheld the conviction of Tab Deaner for possession with intent to manufactor marijuana in violation of federal law.
I could go on, be warned, Big Bother is always watching. You can never be to careful. If you believe this is a myth keep buy from online stores. I personly will not. Everything I do is in cash. No paper trail.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Jeff Funk]
#447899 - 07/18/10 12:29 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jeff Funk said:
Actually that's a pic of my power box. Let me see if I can find one on the web.
And here's that link: http://www.rvfgardensupply.com/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=734057
I do know a ballast plugged into a 110 outlet pulls around 9.5 amps of electricity, when using that box it only pulls 5 amps.
You really don't understand electricity I don't really either but you REALLY don't.
Your box draws from a 240v line instead of a 120 thus drawing less amps. That much is correct.
However a 240v line essentially consists of 2 x 120v lines so you would be drawing half the amps over twice the voltage which really is the same thing. Amps is just your load, you're under half a load because you have twice the juice. You're not going to use half the energy.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: starrider]
#448633 - 07/20/10 02:16 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
starrider said:
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Jeff Funk said:
Worried about power usage? Use one of these to slash the bill. You can run 2 1000watt lights for a little over the price of running one. Just gotta have an extra dryer oulet put in. Running the lights thru the 220 or 240volt plug(I can't remember which one it is) it takes less amps to run the lights. Plus theres extra 110 plugs on it, to run timers and pumps
If this is a myth, than why 1989 did the DEA subpoenaed records of a company that advertised hydroponic growing equipment in High Times. This information was forwarded to local law enforcement.
Let's see i 1993 the Thrid Circuit upheld the conviction of Tab Deaner for possession with intent to manufactor marijuana in violation of federal law.
I could go on, be warned, Big Bother is always watching. You can never be to careful. If you believe this is a myth keep buy from online stores. I personly will not. Everything I do is in cash. No paper trail.
Yeah it happens from time to time. But how many hydro shops are operating now?? Hundreds of thousands. It is extremely rare for them to actually do it.
Plus it's not illegal to buy any of this equipment...Period.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Jeff Funk]
#448702 - 07/20/10 10:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I want to thank you all for your posts, this link and 30-amp power box is a perfect example of intelligent suggestions that help take small time growers off the maps of 5-0 and let us sleep a little better at night.... NOW, the question is... what about your dryer? who has 2 dryer plugs/outlets?
How did YOU wire this?
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: NightGrower]
#450402 - 07/23/10 10:45 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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NightGrower said:
I want to thank you all for your posts, this link and 30-amp power box is a perfect example of intelligent suggestions that help take small time growers off the maps of 5-0 and let us sleep a little better at night.... NOW, the question is... what about your dryer? who has 2 dryer plugs/outlets?
How did YOU wire this?
you dont get it. it doesnt matter if you run off 240 or 120. your equipment uses the same energy. it spins the power meter at the same speed mang.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: yellownotepad]
#450413 - 07/23/10 11:21 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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watts / volts = amps.
1000w/120v = 8.33amp
1000w/240v = 4.16amp
Only difference is the 240v is over twice the lines. 4.16 amps = half the load but over twice as much line. I tried explaining earlier when Jeff Funk claimed he uses half the power using his load center.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Kilroy]
#453572 - 07/31/10 02:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyone serious about growing should learn about electric relays. The point of installing electric relays for your grow room is simple. With the introduction of smart meters monitoring electrical spikes is how growers get caught. They see your spike when your light cycle starts and the spike when it finishes. The point of the relay is to eliminate the spike.
Installing a relay will use more electricity but will keep you more invisible to prying eyes.
How the relay works is this, for example if you're using a 1000w light, the relay will consume 1000w 24 hrs a day, while only directing the current to your setup for the lights on cycle, eliminating the power spike. This is how you hide from the police. Look it up.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: PapaKush]
#453703 - 07/31/10 05:13 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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my bad, thanks for clearing it up, either way, straight genius
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Jeff Funk]
#475665 - 09/11/10 04:23 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jeff Funk said:
I do know a ballast plugged into a 110 outlet pulls around 9.5 amps of electricity, when using that box it only pulls 5 amps.
Right, because amperage and voltage are inversely proportional: W = VA
This means that you are not using less electricity. You could plug your lights directly into the 2400V power line outside your house, they would draw half an amp, and still use the same amount of electricity.
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: PapaKush]
#483144 - 09/28/10 04:33 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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PapaKush said:
Anyone serious about growing should learn about electric relays. The point of installing electric relays for your grow room is simple. With the introduction of smart meters monitoring electrical spikes is how growers get caught. They see your spike when your light cycle starts and the spike when it finishes. The point of the relay is to eliminate the spike.
Installing a relay will use more electricity but will keep you more invisible to prying eyes.
How the relay works is this, for example if you're using a 1000w light, the relay will consume 1000w 24 hrs a day, while only directing the current to your setup for the lights on cycle, eliminating the power spike. This is how you hide from the police. Look it up.
got any good resources to share?
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: maryanne3087]
#488856 - 10/17/10 01:47 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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maryanne3087 said:
watts / volts = amps.
1000w/120v = 8.33amp
1000w/240v = 4.16amp
Only difference is the 240v is over twice the lines. 4.16 amps = half the load but over twice as much line. I tried explaining earlier when Jeff Funk claimed he uses half the power using his load center.
I am an electrician, and this ^ is correct. Also about the relay, that is a bunk method aswell. Perhaps if you have 2 separate 1000w grow ops this would be a useful investment.
you could use the relay to run one setup on 12hrs, and turn the other 1000w on the other 12hrs. So you would be using 1000w 24/7, with 2- 1000w setups.
1000w is not very much power, pay your bills and you wont have a problem.
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SquaReSaltine
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: Rah420]
#492398 - 10/27/10 02:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks, gathering info, one piece at a time!
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: SquaReSaltine]
#497571 - 11/13/10 01:45 AM (14 years, 15 days ago) |
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A relay just keeps you from burning your shit down due to a bad timer..
No power through your timing device (high flow anyway) no fry fry..
Also 220 is just two 110's so two 5 amps = tah dah 10 amps
What you need to know is wattage 1000 watts on 110v is still 1000 watts on 220v, just split across two lines.. two phase power, it does prevent voltage drop that occurs with single phase power.
You just crossed all your information into a unicorn..
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Re: so you are worried about the electric bill and getting caught [Re: PapaKush]
#504394 - 12/10/10 12:41 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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PapaKush said:
eliminating the power spike. This is how you hide from the police. Look it up.
Wrong. One way the police get entrance to a house is they get some kind of tip, so they pull your trash and they compare your electrical usage to similar houses. If yours is significantly higher they can use this to get a search warrant.
Like Rah420 said, pay your bills and a small grow ain't no thing
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