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 Lacombe Grown
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 600 or 1000? 
#438991 - 06/28/10 05:55 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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under the law im allowed to grow 7 plants . figured i'd grow them pretty big since i have the room . should i go with the 1000 or the 6? and should i get the mh/hps or just the hps with fluros for veg? thanks
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Well if you're planning on going pretty big then the 1000 is your only real option. If you have the room and money for separate veg/flower rooms then I'd go with a nice T5 for veg and the 1KW HPS for flower. Or ya know, like 15,000W in flower and 300 plants, but that's just a suggestion.
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ya but i think i can only 7 plants or something like along those lines under nevadas laws so i was just wondering should i get the 1000 if im only gunna have a few plants under it. even if they are huge would it make a big different n yield? thanks and the 1000 converterable mh /hps . would mh be as good as t5?
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1000 watt MH, much better than a T5.
You legal growers are so lucky.
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well it depends, huge as in tall then yes absolutely get the 1000, huge as in wide then you'll be fine with the 600. But quite frankly if you can afford it then go with the 1000, you definitely won't be disappointed
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lol thanks alot man i know im so stoked just got the temp card today 1000 wat hps/mh it is thanks alot guys. should i just stick with foxfarm soil? any strain suggestions? the shops have clones another thing im excited about . taller>wider ? yield wise? like i said space is not an option i have a open bedroom with nothing in it . thanks i love the growery/shroomery.
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also i was just lookin at the 1000w's on ebay what ballast should i get the switchable one or the digital one there around the same price thanks
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Lunatek digital, can run on 120/240, also can set to 600,750, 1000 watt and super bright(not real name). Very quite.
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: KaptKid]
#439231 - 06/29/10 10:54 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I only had 7 plants I think I'd go with 2 x 600 vs a single 1000.
You need to keep the height of the plants down as much as possible I've always been told 600w's are best for SoG or plants that are 2' tall and 1000w's are best for plants that are 4' tall it seems there's some sort of grey area where they are more equally matched.
You should be able to train some nice 6oz monsters.
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yea, i'm currently using 2x 600, instead of 1x 1000
light hitting from more angles is what i'm after
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: Tektonic]
#439261 - 06/29/10 11:44 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tektonic said:
yea, i'm currently using 2x 600, instead of 1x 1000
light hitting from more angles is what i'm after
I agree, go with the 2 600's you will get better light coverage and get the bushes you want not just tall trees.
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: Lucid]
#439285 - 06/29/10 12:44 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I also agree 2 x 600w would be a glorious investment. Plump, juicy, ripe ass buds all around...
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: Tektonic]
#439288 - 06/29/10 12:50 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tektonic said:
yea, i'm currently using 2x 600, instead of 1x 1000
light hitting from more angles is what i'm after
closer to the plant tops is also easier to achieve with 600s.
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Lacombe Grown
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what yields more? i could grow them 6ft. if i wanted but i gues i could just get more clones after i harvest so 2 600 hundreds huh. would it make that much of a difference because there really isnt much of a price difference between a 6 and 1000 and should i go thru ebay? are the light kits on there worth getting . thanks again
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maryanne3087
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600w's are said to produce 11% more light per watt. They produce less heat which makes it easier to get them closer to the tops of your plants which also in turn makes them yield more in comparison to those further away. 1000w's are good for 4+' tall plants as they have more light penetration.
600w's would require you to train your plants more to keep height down compared to 1000w's but overall yield better per energy used.
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Two 600 watt lights will provide better canopy coverage, but will produce less canopy penetration then a 1000 watt light. So that means the tops of your plants will receive the most light, but any bud sites below the top of the canopy will receive drastically reduced light levels.
Personally I would go with the two 600s. However, if you have the cash and desire, fuck the 600's and get two 1000 watt lights. It sounds like you have the space for it, so again if cash is not much of an issue I would look into that.
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When your making a 300 dollar investment, whats an extra 70 bucks to make it a 1000 watter?
2- 600 watters would be a shitpot more money than just 1- 1000 watt.
1000 watt makes buds more dense. I have 1000 watt.
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: coda]
#439419 - 06/29/10 06:25 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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2x 1000 is the way to go if that is an option, just make sure your panel can support the load
that's why i could only go 1000 or 2x 600, not enough amps for 2x 1000 here, and i'm not trying to start a fire
the best nugs i've ever seen were grown under 10x 1000w, they were 6ft tall with 3 weeks left! i wish i could go that big
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: DoPeYsMuRf]
#439425 - 06/29/10 06:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats what i was thinkn smurf i can always get another one later on im just gunna get the 1000 hps/mh im sure my 7 plants will get plenty of light and maybe after my first harvest ill throw another one in there if im not satisfied. no comments on buying from ebay? i appreciate all the input guys figured id holla at yall before i made an investment thanks a bunch. should i go with soil? and why wouldnt i beable to run 2 1000's?
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As far as buying from Ebay, depends on what you wanna spend.. If you're looking for cheap, HTG is the lowest I would go, they have good prices and still carry a 5 year warranty on their digital ballasts. Anything cheaper or with less name recognition than them I wouldn't trust.
You should do some research on pros and cons of using soil vs hydro, it will help you make a better, more informed decision on what is gonna work best for you. Personally, I would suggest hydro, because it can be done for the same or less money, and is usually a little more productive.
The only problems you would encounter running two 1k lights is the heat created, you're gonna need a good bit of air moving to keep 2k watts cool. I would recommend air cooled hoods and a 450-550cfm fan blowing through them.
The other problem, is most house circuits are 15 amps, meaning you don't want to exceed about 1500w total of continuous usage. So you either need two dedicated lines off the box ran to your grow area, or you could use a drop cord from another room for one light. If you were to do that, you must make sure the outlet you are pulling from is not wired on the same circuit as the grow room. There are many half ass electricians out there that will run a couple rooms and sometimes more on one 15a circuit. Also, the shorter the cord the better, and make sure it's rated for whatever load you will be placing on it.
Basically, pay attention, look at labels, find out what kind of draw everything is pulling and then you know how much to place on any given circuit. Be anal about it, don't cut ANY corners when it comes to this aspect of the hobby. Otherwise you'll end up with a pile of char and ash for a home, and when the fire marshall inspects, you're also gonna get charged for cannabis cultivation, and probably more.
EDIT: NVM, looks like you are cultivating legally, but they would drum some charges up if you were at fault for the fire.
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Edited by DieselB (06/29/10 07:44 PM)
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: DieselB]
#439486 - 06/29/10 07:45 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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htg sweet thanks im gunna check em out thanks for the info about the electrical too i was wondering about that its a legal grow so i wont have to worry about the cops but i will be worrying about burning down the house and ill look into the hydro. will i beable to grow 6ft plants via hydro? i can only grow 7 plants so i wanted them to be nice n fat maybe shooting for a lb per plant. or somewhere around there thanks that helped alot yall are the shit
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: DieselB]
#439492 - 06/29/10 07:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=47955 ; is that one ok? the ballast good enough? should i get a better reflector? its a legal grow so i wont be worryin about the cops but thanks for the electrical info i was wondering about that yall are the shit.
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Shootin' for the moon, huh? 6ft plants and pulling a pound a plant just isn't realistic for an indoor grow especially for a beginner. Yes, you'll hear about people getting a pound a plant from a 400, two pounds from a 600 and so on. Forget that shit, your main concern right now should be learning the fundamentals, once you get that, focus on growing healthy plants.
I see too many people get ahead of themselves by setting outrageous goals before they have even popped a seed. Go blow all kinds of money thinking its no sweat because now they're a "Grower" and gonna be servin' pounds of dro in no time. Then you watch them start plants and kill them before they even got close to harvest and can't figure out where the fuck they went wrong.
A huge part of yield, aside from lighting, is genetics, there are strains out there that will yield an elbow a plant no problem, some more. Thing is, the biggest yielding strains aren't usually the most potent, so you wanna do more research and find out what strain is gonna give you an acceptable yield and still have enough potentcy to keep you happy.
You would be wise to set a more attainable goal of like 4oz a plant, which is still pretty damn high for a lot of people. This is very doable with dual 600's and the right strain though. Think about it, if you averaged a QP a plant x7, thats gonna be one pound, twelve ounces. Which would be considered to be a DAMN healthy indoor harvest around these parts.
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: DieselB]
#439519 - 06/29/10 08:22 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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As far as a grow light setup from HTG, something like this would probably suit your needs a little better: http://cgi.ebay.com/DIGITAL-1000-watt-HPS-GROW-LIGHT-XXL-BIG-KAHUNA-HOOD-/390204669383?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ada02bdc7
EDIT: Just make sure they give you the RF shielded socket/cord set.
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Edited by DieselB (06/29/10 08:26 PM)
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: DieselB]
#439549 - 06/29/10 09:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol ya kinda jumpin the gun ive harvested a few times so im not that new but i hear ya i think im gunna try some grape diesel which is said to yield pretty good . just excited to get started really that light kit works for mh too? just need the bulb . RF shielded socket/cord set. ? whats that . and recomendations on strains? they have a big selection of clones thanks im gunna check out your grow log.. thanks
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Alright, good to know you've got an idea of whats goin' on. Yeah, that ballast will run HPS and MH bulbs. Digital Greenhouse ballasts are known to cause interference. The RF shielded cable is to prevent interference in your electronic devices throughout your home, mainly TV and radio. The socket cord will act like an antenna and broadcast it's 'noise' to your television and radio, the shielding is there to prevent this.
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: DieselB]
#439625 - 06/29/10 10:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks for that info can be messin wit my tube . lol do i have to request the rF or what? and whats your fav strain if you dont mind me askin
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: KaptKid]
#439851 - 06/30/10 09:47 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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KaptKid said:
Lunatek digital, can run on 120/240, also can set to 600,750, 1000 watt and super bright(not real name). Very quite.
It's Lumatek, not Lunatek. That's a crazy person.
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There are sooo many strains out there, its hard to nail down even a few favorites.. I'm a huge fan of OG Kush, really wish I could grow it out, but thats one of those clone only strains. I also fucking loved Strawberry Cough, been a while since I've seen that around, thought about growing it too, but I hear it yields pretty light.. I may end up doing it anyway sometime in the future. I guess those are the only two that really stand out and grab my attention.
Unfortunately I haven't had the pleasure of smoking any of the strains I'm growing now, but I have a very strong feeling the Ice is gonna be it, though the Fly Trap seems to be looking tastier by the day.
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: starrider]
#439883 - 06/30/10 11:26 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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starrider said:
Quote:
KaptKid said:
Lunatek digital, can run on 120/240, also can set to 600,750, 1000 watt and super bright(not real name). Very quite.
It's Lumatek, not Lunatek. That's a crazy person.
well considering that the N and the M are immediately adjacent on the keyboard I'm going to venture a guess to say that's a typo person.
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: starrider]
#439923 - 06/30/10 12:33 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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starrider said:
Quote:
KaptKid said:
Lunatek digital, can run on 120/240, also can set to 600,750, 1000 watt and super bright(not real name). Very quite.
It's Lumatek, not Lunatek. That's a crazy person.
Thank you for noticing.
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DoPeYsMuRf
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Here's the one I got I think. Comes with pulleys and shit. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-1000-1-000-WATT-HPS-GROW-LIGHT-AIR-COOLED-COOL-TUBE-/390212869386?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ada7fdd0a
I just checked and looks like theres alot more people selling them on ebay.
I bought from HTG and the stuff I got was ok but really it was cheap for a reason.
the reflector from HTG was all all bent up. This was 5 years ago though.
Edited by DoPeYsMuRf (06/30/10 03:30 PM)
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: DoPeYsMuRf]
#440027 - 06/30/10 04:29 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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hell ya i think ima try to grab a strawberry cough clone at the shop im pretty sure they have it ya i think im gunna be buyin me a light pretty soon i got the money whats the best nutrient kit to get for a soil grow just got some legal spice from ebay cause im outa state right now and cant score . its actually not that bad 
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Edited by DoPeYsMuRf (06/30/10 04:33 PM)
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: DoPeYsMuRf]
#440035 - 06/30/10 04:48 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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what kind of solution do you make through veg and flowering i had fox farm but was thinkn of gettn some new juices
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dont really understand the nutrient chart whats up with ppm any links so i can learn more about gettn that right. sick grow log smurf was it some super?
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If you VEG an Sativa dominate plant and you know what you are doing, in 3 months then thing will become 4+ feet tall. An Indica plant will become close to a foot tall after a month of vegging.
That is with strong plants and proper nutrition.
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: fungi]
#440531 - 07/01/10 01:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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the fuck are you talking about? All three of these are indica dominant plants only 3 weeks old, about 18 inches tall. Also, I can veg a sativa for a year and keep it under 3 feet, it's all about knowing what you're doing with training.
 
Here's 9 sativa dominant plants all around 18" tall at the same age;
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thats some bushy bitches ya 3 months veg n ill have some montsters . im gettn some clones today prolly cotton candy and white dwarf my buddys gunna cut me some blue dream clones in a few weeks also.
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Re: 600 or 1000? [Re: fungi]
#440577 - 07/01/10 02:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you VEG an Sativa dominate plant and you know what you are doing, in 3 months then thing will become 4+ feet tall. An Indica plant will become close to a foot tall after a month of vegging.
That is with strong plants and proper nutrition.
I don't think of height, I think of biomass accumulation. For example if Harry didn't train his plants they wouldn't be as bushy. I think of how bushy and how much of a canopy I can create with my plants. I can take a Jack Herer clone and veg it for 6-8weeks and make a 4x4' bush if it was already rooted it could be as little as 5weeks. This is in ProMix too I hear coco vegges 10-15% faster and can support more mass per pot size. I hope so because I was using 5-10gal pots all the time.
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