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I still do my fair share of psychedelics.

I was never a big fan of drugs that fuck with metabolism.

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That makes very little sense. I'm sure that psychedelics have very similar effects on metabolism as meth ampetamine. They both reduce appetite and keep you awake.

Occasional use of meth is as safe as any drug. Escessive use will cause problems as any drug will though meth amphetamine is not physically addictive so it's very easy to quit using it. The idea of meth addicts is patently ridiculous.

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But I do know that years of smoking crank permanently burns out parts of the dopamine pleasure/reward system in the brain.

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But I do know that years of smoking crank permanently burns out parts of the dopamine pleasure/reward system in the brain.

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Find me some non biased, non government funded independent research that confirms those claims.




I'm 36 now, I had periods of over a year at a time in my 20's and early 30's where I was IV'ing amphetamines every weekend starting thursday night and going through to sunday afternoon, going through 2 or 3g's of good wizz a weekend. I used a fuck of a lot of gear over those years.

I've never noticed any deterioration in my general contentment or pleasure while sober even after a long period of bingeing.

I never had any issues stopping using it, and the very fact that I didn't use from sunday nights till thursday nights is indicative of its non addictive nature. As far as I'm concerned if a substance doesn't cause physical withdrawals of the kind associated with opiates, nicotine and benzodiazapines etc then addiction cant be issue. Psychological addictions are very easy to overcome as they are not fueled by pain and suffering and are related more to behavior involved with taking and being on the drug, rather than the drug itself.

the fact is, if you give a speed freak plenty of valium and make him sleep for two days, when he wakes up he'll be fine.


I'm not going to say that long term constant abuse won't fuck people up, because it will. I will say that the deterioration in their physical and mental health results more in lack of sleep and nourishment than it does from the direct physical effects of the drug itself.

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Sativus said:
But I do know that years of smoking crank permanently burns out parts of the dopamine pleasure/reward system in the brain.

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Find me some non biased, non government funded independent research that confirms those claims.




I'm 36 now, I had periods of over a year at a time in my 20's and early 30's where I was IV'ing amphetamines every weekend starting thursday night and going through to sunday afternoon, going through 2 or 3g's of good wizz a weekend. I used a fuck of a lot of gear over those years.

I've never noticed any deterioration in my general contentment or pleasure while sober even after a long period of bingeing.

I never had any issues stopping using it, and the very fact that I didn't use from sunday nights till thursday nights is indicative of its non addictive nature. As far as I'm concerned if a substance doesn't cause physical withdrawals of the kind associated with opiates, nicotine and benzodiazapines etc then addiction cant be issue. Psychological addictions are very easy to overcome as they are not fueled by pain and suffering and are related more to behavior involved with taking and being on the drug, rather than the drug itself.

the fact is, if you give a speed freak plenty of valium and make him sleep for two days, when he wakes up he'll be fine.


I'm not going to say that long term constant abuse won't fuck people up, because it will. I will say that the deterioration in their physical and mental health results more in lack of sleep and nourishment than it does from the direct physical effects of the drug itself.

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lol psychological addictions are not "easy to overcome" at least not for everyone. I've been to rehab and seen plenty of people totally fucked up from speed, and they start using as soon as they get out.

The way you experience a drug does not reflect the way everyone does ya stupid fuck.

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You'll never see a meth user shivering and sweating with gut cramps and shit in his pants planing on how to get his next hit anyway he can to stop the sickness. Meth abuse is entirely situational and driven by a desire to get high, there are no painful withdrawals always demanding more drugs.

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Coaster said:
upperz > downerz

im a raver thats y

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why would you get up when you can get down?











OPIATED 4 LIFE!!!

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Hanky said:
I'll have the references and the quotes for you sometime today (it's sunday morning 8am my time) I have to wait for teragon to get on line so he can give me the links I need.

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