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13eetleJuice
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DungenessDank said: If they were active in this they would have taken over from day one, HISTORY (I know you despise our past) has shown that these companies are not effective enough to clean up something of this magnitude. These "fines" are nothing more than tax deductions. Now if you want to tell me how to form my speech perhaps you should use a 
To bad the government doesn't exactly have a department of "oil spills."
BP is an oil company, they are more qualified than any person the government probably has.
I don't put ANY faith in those that fucked up in the first place. Our nation certainly has talented experts in the field that could be hired to lead the clean up effort. Your arguments are foolish.
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13eetleJuice
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This is why what you say is foolish:
(a) Those men and women working for THE OIL COMPANY have the company's interest in mind while at their job. It is in their job description to act as such.
(b) Those men and women working for THE PEOPLE have the people's best interest in mind while at their jobs. It is in their job description to act as such. Clearly however, in this nation, corporations have been defined as people and as such the government is bound by law to recognize the entity known as 'British Petroleum' as a person and extend to them the rights guaranteed us all, and in a sense, it can be said that the government is working for the vested interests of BP.
(c) Those men and women working for THE ENVIRONMENT have the plants', animals', and future generations' best interest in mind.
I don't feel like going any further with this list so I hope it adequately eludes to my point. Not every geologist works for an oil company. There are plenty of qualified professionals that could act to lead this operation who do NOT receive a paycheck from a major oil company.
If we, as private citizens, or as a nation, simply sit back and "let the experts down at British Petroleum," handle this disaster then it will be the successive generations of this nation that will PAY the losses caused by this disaster to THEIR natural resources for which they will now not be able to depend upon to supplement this nation's livelihood. Are you getting the scope of it now?
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13eetleJuice
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First, I don't hate BP; my fiance just so happens to sell their gasoline. 
Secondly, those who are hired to make decisions of large impact for the best interest of that company which pays them a check, do so in the company's best interest. If they do not, they will be out of a job. You see this is how capitalism works, my friend. If Joe Blow wants to have a conscience and do the "right thing" for humanity, he doesn't get a paycheck anymore. Those that get promoted within any company are those that are willing to look out for the best interests of the company.
My point here is that there is a conflict of interest in letting the company that caused the spill oversee it's cleanup efforts. BP dropped the ball. Early reports suggest that safety measures were compromised in favor of profit indicating irresponsibility and an impeachment of ethics but, we won't know anything for sure until an investigation into BP's internal affairs is concluded.
Can you not understand and concede to the conflict of interest I'm speaking of?
I haven't said that BP is guilty of ANY wrong doing. The potential exists however and as such they should not be the authority in charge of the clean up of their own spilled milk for I fear they might just try to shovel some of it under the rug, and not because they are the "Evil BP Corporation" but simply because it's in their best interest. Companies in this capitalistic economy are forced into the unethical decisions that are made every day in order to stay competitive.
It's simply economics, a place where ethics don't exist. I'm sorry.
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Thebooedocksaint said:
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13eetleJuice said: First, I don't hate BP; my fiance just so happens to sell their gasoline. 
Secondly, those who are hired to make decisions of large impact for the best interest of that company which pays them a check, do so in the company's best interest. If they do not, they will be out of a job. You see this is how capitalism works, my friend. If Joe Blow wants to have a conscience and do the "right thing" for humanity, he doesn't get a paycheck anymore. Those that get promoted within any company are those that are willing to look out for the best interests of the company.
My point here is that there is a conflict of interest in letting the company that caused the spill oversee it's cleanup efforts. BP dropped the ball. Early reports suggest that safety measures were compromised in favor of profit indicating irresponsibility and an impeachment of ethics but, we won't know anything for sure until an investigation into BP's internal affairs is concluded.
Can you not understand and concede to the conflict of interest I'm speaking of?
I haven't said that BP is guilty of ANY wrong doing. The potential exists however and as such they should not be the authority in charge of the clean up of their own spilled milk for I fear they might just try to shovel some of it under the rug, and not because they are the "Evil BP Corporation" but simply because it's in their best interest. Companies in this capitalistic economy are forced into the unethical decisions that are made every day in order to stay competitive.
It's simply economics, a place where ethics don't exist. I'm sorry. 
I'll agree that they want to do whats best for their job.
But how is not cleaning it up ASAP going to help BP at all.
It is completely in their best interest to clean it up.
Have you watched the video about the dispersal agents being used? They're spraying chemicals on the oil slick that disperse the oil. Now to the typical layman and otherwise uninformed general public, this might seem like a good idea. They see oil. BP sprays chemical to DISPERSE the oil. Public doesn't see big oil slick anymore... I guess it must have disappeared, HOORAY BP!
...nope, it's just dispersed across a LARGER VOLUME OF WATER.
That's just the most recent case in point and granted, I'm not geo-marine-biologist-type but I suspect that the use of this dispersal agent will eventually come to be known as a complication to the REAL clean-up efforts when they begin which are generally long term strategies. One could use Google to research previous spills both in the U.S. and around the globe to get an idea of how long it actually takes to clean up all of the mess.
I'm not an expert! I can't argue that what BP is doing isn't the best way to go about it. I'm only pointing to the elephant in the room that is the conflict of interest I've spoken of.
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Btw, I meant no offence when I remarked that your arguments were foolish. I do, say, and think many foolish things every day. It was a rather untactful approach at conversation and for that I offer my apology.
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13eetleJuice
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Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 368
Loc: 6' under fertalizing bud
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