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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
    #430240 - 06/09/10 09:10 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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FarBeyondDriven said:Basically no fix in site.




Worst possible case has always been August, when the relief wells are completed. That is still on schedule and there is really no way they can fuck it up.

But yeah, fuck them. If its not cleaned up before hurricanes touch down whole cities are going to be painted black.






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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: THEBats]
    #430241 - 06/09/10 09:12 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I figure, whats fucked is fucked. No use complaining about it, lets use our kitchen chemistry skills to find a solution.

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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: THEBats]
    #430244 - 06/09/10 09:18 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Well no, things are still in the process of being fucked.  Preventative measures still need to be taken, yet aren't as we have only an inkling at the full impact of the oil, especially take the undersea plumes and ocean currents into account.




I'm glad I live in kansas.


But true, but I mean there isn't any way to make it so nothing will get fucked.

Because some shit I am sure already is.

Also, anyway this could cause a giant algal bloom?


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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: THEBats]
    #430245 - 06/09/10 09:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly what I was meaning when I was talking about the plankton.


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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: THEBats]
    #430248 - 06/09/10 09:21 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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No idea about that, also the dispersants they're using are just as toxic as the oil so the full effects of vast amounts of it being dumped into the gulf will also be unprecedented.














I feel like burning down a BP station right about now.




Bad idea, most BP stations don't even carry BP gas.

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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: THEBats]
    #430249 - 06/09/10 09:23 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Exactly what I was meaning when I was talking about the plankton.




What exactly were you meaning?




If it kills to many of them, from this dispersant/oil mix, then the food web would collapse from the bottom up.

Apex predators will begin being more and more hungery fyi if it happens.

If a shark is hungry what do you think a beach looks like?


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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: THEBats]
    #430254 - 06/09/10 09:26 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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true.  which is why you got to blow up a tanker.  but then that would defeat the whole purpose.




Lol, an ecoterrorist blowing up an oil tanker would be so ironic... it deserves its own word.


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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: DungenessDank]
    #430267 - 06/09/10 10:05 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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LOL.

Ignorance is a cheap laugh.





Well considering they will continue to be making profit as they are cleaning it up.


I would say that they will be just fine.


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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: DungenessDank]
    #430274 - 06/09/10 10:17 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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clean this up, pay off the fishermen




1. No

and

2. Fuck no.




Lol, they are already being forced to do both.

Didn't obama fine them a few million just to start paying the fishermen back?


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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: DungenessDank]
    #430283 - 06/09/10 10:25 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I forget everyone isn't from the coast.

Most fisherman who we're effected by the Exxon Valdez DIED OF OLD AGE before they received any kind of compensation for the destruction of their fishery, effectively ruining their livelihood and bankrupting their business'. This was in a state where the economy, up before the oil boom, was basically supported by commercial fishermen.

Those that got their payments before dying, received on average about 40,000 dollars a piece, 20 some years later. I don't think I have to explain why this was not adequate payment.




Just because it happened that way before, does not mean it will not happen this time.


You are just assuming things.


And will all know what assuming things does.


It makes an ass out of YOU! :rofl:


But really, it is bad to assume things.

Because it is a fallacy of persuasion.


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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: DungenessDank]
    #430284 - 06/09/10 10:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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The only one's who will be happy with it are BP.

Everyone else can go fuck themselves as far as this corporation is concerned. They will spend as much on lawyers as anything.




Lol, to bad obama can just keep fining them and giving the money to people affected.

They try to lawyer up the government really will just go LOL NO U!


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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: DungenessDank]
    #430288 - 06/09/10 10:30 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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We'll see. :smirk: History seems to repeat itself.

Let's say I owned a business that made a profit out of raping this planet to begin with. Do I give a fuck if a bunch of poor fisherman can work? Hell no. I'm here to minimize loses.




Exactly, but when the government forces you to. LITERALLY FORCES YOU TO, you will. Whether you want to or not.

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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: DungenessDank]
    #430292 - 06/09/10 10:40 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Educate yourselves before you look like fools to real life people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill#Litigation_and_cleanup_costs




Like I said, saying history repeats itself is really NOT A VALID ARGUEMENT.

You are assuming that a spill there, is anywhere near the same thing as one here.

The government has to listen to its voters, if they don't do anything. Then it is time to protest. Protest, protest, and protest. Make them listen, in this day and age it is crazy how easy it is to form an effective voice in today's world.



But whatever, one of us or the other is going to be proven wrong.


And honestly I could care less if I am wrong, but using the history alone as your proof does not work.


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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: DungenessDank]
    #430300 - 06/09/10 10:50 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Wow man. this situation keeps getting worse.

This is good enough reason to pretty much drop the idea of drilling the arctic. I know if I was a gulf fisherman I'd either be thinking suicide or murder.

TBDS, I hope people do protest the governments inaction on this. Everyone needs to be held responsible, including the MMS offical's who were having coke and hooker party's with BP exec's before they drilled this well.




Inaction?


..... They have already been fined once.


That is not inaction.


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To be inactive there must be no activity.


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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: DungenessDank]
    #430305 - 06/09/10 10:59 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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If they were active in this they would have taken over from day one, HISTORY (I know you despise our past) has shown that these companies are not effective enough to clean up something of this magnitude. These "fines" are nothing more than tax deductions. Now if you want to tell me how to form my speech perhaps you should use a :pm:




To bad the government doesn't exactly have a department of "oil spills."

BP is an oil company, they are more qualified than any person the government probably has.


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Re: Motherfuck British Petroleum [Re: Lucid]
    #430334 - 06/09/10 12:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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The gulf is fucked.  Worse case scenario it leaks into the ocean currents, and gulf stream and kills florida and the eastern sea board off too.  Also they're in the process, not bp but shell if I remember correctly, of scouting locations for arctic drilling...




Ok now BP pisses me the fuck off too, and I think its bullshit that they arent doing more to clean this shit up. BUT nobody seems to reference the oil spill in the golf in 1979 that was like 5x more oil than has spilled now, it was on the Mexico part of the golf. They got a little lucky and the currents helped bring it out into sea and dissipate it. And oil is just long dead bugs and whatnot, well there are naturally occurring bacteria that do infact eat this oil up. ya it takes a long time but the golf WILL recover.  And come on guys, GOD dident want us to drill into the earth so far? REALLY? thats just crazy, it obvious that the reptilian people caused the spill so we didn't drill into the center of the earth and find where they live!!!
AHhh BUBBLEHASH!!!! makes me say weird shit.....:vaped::vaped::vaped::vaped::vaped:




I am now ok with the smart ass comment you made in the other thread.

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    #430402 - 06/09/10 02:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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If they were active in this they would have taken over from day one, HISTORY (I know you despise our past) has shown that these companies are not effective enough to clean up something of this magnitude. These "fines" are nothing more than tax deductions. Now if you want to tell me how to form my speech perhaps you should use a :pm:




To bad the government doesn't exactly have a department of "oil spills."

BP is an oil company, they are more qualified than any person the government probably has.




I don't put ANY faith in those that fucked up in the first place. Our nation certainly has talented experts in the field that could be hired to lead the clean up effort. Your arguments are foolish.




You just told me my arguement was foolish.

And yes our nation does have talented experts in this field.


They work for oil companies, you know like BP.

Do you really trust someone like FEMA to take care of this?


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    #430441 - 06/09/10 04:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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This is why what you say is foolish:

(a) Those men and women working for THE OIL COMPANY have the company's interest in mind while at their job. It is in their job description to act as such.

(b) Those men and women working for THE PEOPLE have the people's best interest in mind while at their jobs. It is in their job description to act as such.
Clearly however, in this nation, corporations have been defined as people and as such the government is bound by law to recognize the entity known as 'British Petroleum' as a person and extend to them the rights guaranteed us all, and in a sense, it can be said that the government is working for the vested interests of BP.

(c) Those men and women working for THE ENVIRONMENT have the plants', animals', and future generations' best interest in mind.

I don't feel like going any further with this list so I hope it adequately eludes to my point. Not every geologist works for an oil company. There are plenty of qualified professionals that could act to lead this operation who do NOT receive a paycheck from a major oil company.

If we, as private citizens, or as a nation, simply sit back and "let the experts down at British Petroleum," handle this disaster then it will be the successive generations of this nation that will PAY the losses caused by this disaster to THEIR natural resources for which they will now not be able to depend upon to supplement this nation's livelihood. Are you getting the scope of it now?




Those that work for a company have their own best wishes in mind, not who they work for.

People know that in the end, for the individual, your own well being should be your # 1 concern.

So the people that work for BP, will know it is in their well being to clean as best they will.

You just hate BP because they fucked up, that does not make the people that work for them any less qualified.



Also, seriously speaking....


Who are the experts in stoping an oil leak, and cleaning up the mess in the water.


I would think not a geologist, but I'm at a loss for their actualy job title.


For the leak engineer?


Oil rig engineer?



Hydrolics?




For clean up would it be chemists?


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    #430476 - 06/09/10 06:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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First, I don't hate BP; my fiance just so happens to sell their gasoline. :smirk:

Secondly, those who are hired to make decisions of large impact for the best interest of that company which pays them a check, do so in the company's best interest. If they do not, they will be out of a job. You see this is how capitalism works, my friend. If Joe Blow wants to have a conscience and do the "right thing" for humanity, he doesn't get a paycheck anymore. Those that get promoted within any company are those that are willing to look out for the best interests of the company.

My point here is that there is a conflict of interest in letting the company that caused the spill oversee it's cleanup efforts. BP dropped the ball. Early reports suggest that safety measures were compromised in favor of profit indicating irresponsibility and an impeachment of ethics but, we won't know anything for sure until an investigation into BP's internal affairs is concluded.

Can you not understand and concede to the conflict of interest I'm speaking of?

I haven't said that BP is guilty of ANY wrong doing. The potential exists however and as such they should not be the authority in charge of the clean up of their own spilled milk for I fear they might just try to shovel some of it under the rug, and not because they are the "Evil BP Corporation" but simply because it's in their best interest. Companies in this capitalistic economy are forced into the unethical decisions that are made every day in order to stay competitive.

It's simply economics, a place where ethics don't exist. I'm sorry. :shrug:




I'll agree that they want to do whats best for their job.

But how is not cleaning it up ASAP going to help BP at all.


It is completely in their best interest to clean it up.


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    #430495 - 06/09/10 07:02 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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First, I don't hate BP; my fiance just so happens to sell their gasoline. :smirk:

Secondly, those who are hired to make decisions of large impact for the best interest of that company which pays them a check, do so in the company's best interest. If they do not, they will be out of a job. You see this is how capitalism works, my friend. If Joe Blow wants to have a conscience and do the "right thing" for humanity, he doesn't get a paycheck anymore. Those that get promoted within any company are those that are willing to look out for the best interests of the company.

My point here is that there is a conflict of interest in letting the company that caused the spill oversee it's cleanup efforts. BP dropped the ball. Early reports suggest that safety measures were compromised in favor of profit indicating irresponsibility and an impeachment of ethics but, we won't know anything for sure until an investigation into BP's internal affairs is concluded.

Can you not understand and concede to the conflict of interest I'm speaking of?

I haven't said that BP is guilty of ANY wrong doing. The potential exists however and as such they should not be the authority in charge of the clean up of their own spilled milk for
I fear they might just try to shovel some of it under the rug, and not because they are the "Evil BP Corporation" but simply because it's in their best interest. Companies in this capitalistic economy are forced into the unethical decisions that are made every day in order to stay competitive.

It's simply economics, a place where ethics don't exist. I'm sorry. :shrug:




I'll agree that they want to do whats best for their job.

But how is not cleaning it up ASAP going to help BP at all.


It is completely in their best interest to clean it up.




Have you watched the video about the dispersal agents being used? They're spraying chemicals on the oil slick that disperse the oil. Now to the typical layman and otherwise uninformed general public, this might seem like a good idea. They see oil. BP sprays chemical to DISPERSE the oil. Public doesn't see big oil slick anymore... I guess it must have disappeared, HOORAY BP!


...nope, it's just dispersed across a LARGER VOLUME OF WATER.

That's just the most recent case in point and granted, I'm not geo-marine-biologist-type but I suspect that the use of this dispersal agent will eventually come to be known as a complication to the REAL clean-up efforts when they begin which are generally long term strategies. One could use Google to research previous spills both in the U.S. and around the globe to get an idea of how long it actually takes to clean up all of the mess.

I'm not an expert! I can't argue that what BP is doing isn't the best way to go about it. I'm only pointing to the elephant in the room that is the conflict of interest I've spoken of.




Ok dude.

Can we settle this arguement by me just saying I see where you are coming from?


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