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 I'm all for cannabis use.  1
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But I do find it weird when someone claims that there are no ill health effects. I mean you are inhaling smoke are you not? There has to be something bad about it doesnt there? Please explain.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Triptonic]
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there are other methods of use.. but I agree with you. Anyone who smokes on a regular basis is at least putting themselves at a greater chance for lung cancer than a non smoker
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Picklez]
#428527 - 06/04/10 01:09 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm talking about just like straight up bong rips and joints and blunts and bowls.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Triptonic]
#428535 - 06/04/10 02:15 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have heard that smoking weed is much better for you (or not as harmful) than tobacco, though I have nothing to back this up on.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: T-Rex]
#428536 - 06/04/10 02:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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No this is accurate I believe. Donald Tashkin, who did a study on the health effects of Marijuana, hypothesized that he would find a positive correlation between smoking pot and developing cancer, and I quote: Quote:
"What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html
By that logic alone, I would say it is safer to inhale marijuana smoke than it is to inhale tobacco smoke.
Yes, you are inhaling smoke. Yes, you're better off not doing it, however the question is to what extent is it bad? I mean, I smoke daily and I do 10km runs 3-4 times a week.  There is nothing wrong with my body.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: TomCollins]
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That's fucking amazing man, all these years I have been semi paranoid that I would develop some kind of cancer, and I'm not saying I won't. But at least I know it wont be due to bud hahaha.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Triptonic]
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Smoke is never a good thing. But cannabis does have some interesting properties and has been shown to be anti-carcinogenic, and a fantastic lung cleaner....
Cannabis is the best natural expectorant to clear the human lungs of smog, dust and the phlegm associated with tobacco use. Marijuana smoke effectively dilates the airways of the lungs, the bronchi, opening them to allow more oxygen into the lungs. It is also the best natural dilator of the tiny airways of the lungs, the bronchial tubes - making cannabis the best overall bronchial dilator for 80% of the population (the remaining 20% sometimes show minor negative reactions) Statistical evidence - showing up consistently as anomalies in matched populations - indicates that people who smoke tobacco cigarettes are usually better off and will live longer if they smoke cannabis moderately, too.
UCLA Tashkin studies, 1969-97; U.S. Costa Rican,1980-82; Jamaican studies 1969-74, 76.)
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One in three Americans will be afflicted with cancer, we are told by the government (as if it’s our immutable fate and somehow acceptable). Cancer is the second-leading cause of death in the U.S. and lung cancer the leading killer among cancers.
You’d think it would have been very big news in June 2005 when UCLA medical school professor Donald Tashkin reported that components of marijuana smoke -- although they damage cells in respiratory tissue -- somehow prevent them from becoming malignant. In other words, something in marijuana exerts an anti-cancer effect!
Tashkin has special credibility. He was the lead investigator on studies dating back to the 1970s that identified the components in marijuana smoke that are toxic. It was Tashkin et al. who published photomicrographs showing that marijuana smoke damages cells lining the upper airways. It was the Tashkin lab’s finding that benzpyrene -- a component of tobacco smoke that plays a role in most lung cancers -- is especially prevalent in marijuana smoke. It was Tashkin’s data showing that marijuana smokers are more likely than non-smokers to cough, wheeze, and produce sputum.
Tashkin reviewed his findings in April 2008, at a conference organized by “Patients Out of Time,” a reform group devoted to educating doctors and the public (as opposed to lobbying politicians). Some 30 MDs and nurses got continuing medical education credits for attending the event, which was held at Asilomar, on the Monterey Peninsula.
The National Institute on Drug Abuse, which supported Tashkin’s marijuana-related research over the decades, readily gave him a grant in 2002 to conduct a large, population-based, case-controlled study that would prove definitively that heavy, long-term marijuana use increases the risk of lung and upper-airways cancers.
What Tashkin and his colleagues found, however, disproved their hypothesis. (Tashkin is to marijuana as a cause of lung cancer what Hans Blix was to Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction -- an honest investigator who set out to find something, concluded that it wasn’t there, and reported his results.)
Tashkin’s team interviewed 1,212 cancer patients from the Los Angeles County Cancer Surveillance program, matched for age, gender, and neighborhood with 1,040 cancer-free controls. Marijuana use was measured in “joint years” (number of years smoked times number of joints per day).
It turned out that increased marijuana use did not result in higher rates of lung and pharyngeal cancer, whereas tobacco smokers were at greater risk the more they smoked. Tobacco smokers who also smoked marijuana were at slightly lower risk of getting lung cancer than tobacco-only smokers.
These findings were not deemed worthy of publication in “NIDA Notes.” Tashkin reported them at the 2005 meeting of the International Cannabinoid Research Society. They were published in the October 2006 issue of Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention.
Without a press release from NIDA calling attention to its significance, the assignment editors of America had no idea that “Marijuana Use and the Risk of Lung and Upper Aerodigestive Tract Cancers: Results of a Population-Based Case-Control Study” by Mia Hashibe1, Hal Morgenstern, Yan Cui, Donald P. Tashkin, Zuo-Feng Zhang, Wendy Cozen, Thomas M. Mack and Sander Greenland was a blockbuster story.
I suggested to Eric Bailey of the L.A. Times that he write up Tashkin’s findings -- UCLA provided the local angle if the anti-cancer effect wasn’t enough. Bailey said his editors wouldn’t be interested for some time because he had just filed a marijuana-related piece. The Tashkin scoop is still there for the taking!
Tashkin Defends His Findings
Investigators from New Zealand recently got widespread media attention for a study contradicting Tashkin’s results. “Heavy cannabis users may be at greater risk of chronic lung disease –including cancer– compared to tobacco smokers,” is how BBC News summed up the New Zealanders’ findings.
The very small size of the study –79 smokers took part, 21 of whom smoked cannabis only– was not held against the authors. In fact, the small New Zealand study was given much more coverage by the corporate press than the large UCLA study that preceded it.
The New Zealand study was portrayed as the latest word on this important subject. As if scientific inquiry were some kind of tennis match and the truth just gets truthier with every volley.
Tashkin criticized the New Zealanders’ methodology in his talk at Asilomar: “There’s some cognitive dissonance associated with the interpretation of their findings. I think this has to do with the belief model among the investigators and –I wish they were here to defend themselves– the integrity of the investigators… They actually published another paper in which they mimicked the design that we used for looking at lung function.”
Tashkin spoke from the stage of an airy redwood chapel designed by Julia Morgan. He is pink-cheeked, 70ish, wears wire-rimmed spectacles. “For tobacco they found what you’d expect: a higher risk for lung cancer and a clear dose-response relationship. A 24-fold increase in the people who smoked the most… What about marijuana? If they smoked a small or moderate amount there was no increased risk, in fact slightly less than one. But if they were in the upper third of the group, then their risk was six-fold… A rather surprising finding, and one has to be cautious about interpreting the results because of the very small number of cases -- fourteen— and controls -- four.”
Tashkin said the New Zealanders employed “statistical sleight of hand.” He deemed it “completely implausible that smokers of only 365 joints of marijuana have a risk for developing lung cancer similar to that of smokers of 7,000 tobacco cigarettes… Their small sample size led to vastly inflated estimates… They had said ‘it’s ideal to do the study in New Zealand because we have a much higher prevalence of marijuana smoking.’ But 88 percent of their controls had never smoked marijuana, whereas 36% of our controls (in Los Angeles) had never smoked marijuana. Why did so few of the controls smoke marijuana? Something fishy about that!”
Strong words for a UCLA School of Medicine professor!
As to the highly promising implication of his own study –that something in marijuana stops damaged cells from becoming malignant— Tashkin noted that an anti-proliferative effect of THC has been observed in cell-culture systems and animal models of brain, breast, prostate, and lung cancer. THC has been shown to promote apoptosis (damaged cells die instead of reproducing) and to counter angiogenesis (the process by which blood vessels are formed —a requirement of tumor growth). Other antioxidants in cannabis may also be involved in countering malignancy, said Tashkin.
COPD
Much of Tashkin’s talk was devoted to Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, another condition prevalent among tobacco smokers. Chronic bronchitis and emphysema are two forms of COPD, which is the fourth-leading cause of death in the United States. Air pollution and tobacco smoke are known culprits. Inhaled pathogens cause an inflammatory response, resulting in diminished lung function. COPD patients have increasing difficulty clearing the airways as they get older.
Tashkin and colleagues at UCLA conducted a major study in which they measured lung function of various cohorts over eight years and found that tobacco-only smokers had an accelerated rate of decline, but marijuana smokers –even if they smoked tobacco as well– experienced the same rate of decline as non-smokers.
“The more tobacco smoked, the greater the rate of decline,” said Tashkin. “In contrast, no matter how much marijuana was smoked, the rate of decline was similar to normal.”
Tashkin concluded that his and other studies “do not support the concept that regular smoking of marijuana leads to COPD.”
Breathe easier, everybody.
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/142271/smoking_marijuana_does_not_cause_lung_cancer/
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: T-Rex]
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Yeah I've seen studies where THC can actually reverse the effects of brain and lung cancer. I've also seen a study showing cannabis helps prevent certain types of cancer. I'll post links to studies when I find them.... I have asthma and all the years I have smoked weed it hasn't gotten any worse. I have read that cannabis is a bronchodilator and can be used to treat asthma.
Of course I still believe smoking it can damage your lungs but certainly not as much as tobacco. But to me the benefits I gain from it outweigh the risks.... Its honestly the most medicinal drug I have ever used, and it just makes me fucking sick thinking that people go to jail for this shit.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: volcomstoner]
#428571 - 06/04/10 07:49 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The anti pot people seem to think that smoking is the only way to ingest cannabis. Of course inhaling a combusted material is bad.  that's common sense. Eat it or vaporize it if ya can't smoke it. I'd like to see some studies on long term effects of vaporization of cannabis on daily users. The people that want to debate cannabis being a medicine are just ignorant. It's probably the most useful plant known to man, was one of the first cultivated plants, and WAS a medicine before it was a recreational drug!
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: FurrowedBrow]
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The anti pot people seem to think that smoking is the only way to ingest cannabis. Of course inhaling a combusted material is bad. that's common sense. Eat it or vaporize it if ya can't smoke it. I'd like to see some studies on long term effects of vaporization of cannabis on daily users. The people that want to debate cannabis being a medicine are just ignorant. It's probably the most useful plant known to man, was one of the first cultivated plants, and WAS a medicine before it was a recreational drug!
I couldn't agree with that more.
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I couldn't agree with that more.
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Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#428710 - 06/04/10 03:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The anti pot people seem to think that smoking is the only way to ingest cannabis. Of course inhaling a combusted material is bad. that's common sense. Eat it or vaporize it if ya can't smoke it. I'd like to see some studies on long term effects of vaporization of cannabis on daily users. The people that want to debate cannabis being a medicine are just ignorant. It's probably the most useful plant known to man, was one of the first cultivated plants, and WAS a medicine before it was a recreational drug!
LOL cocaine was a medicine before it was a drug and so was heroin.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Triptonic]
#428712 - 06/04/10 03:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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So are you implying that Cannabis is on the same.."level" as cocaine and heroin when it comes to this discussion?
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No I'm saying the arguement that it was a "medicine" isnt really a good one.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Triptonic]
#428717 - 06/04/10 03:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well the fact that people aren't in clinics for it like the people in Methadone Clinics for heroin addicts is a good argument I would say. And the fact people don't sell all of their belongings like crackheads just to smoke a joint is another one I would say. I don't care how big of a pothead you are
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Triptonic]
#428878 - 06/04/10 06:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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No I'm saying the arguement that it was a "medicine" isnt really a good one.
well, there's not a world wide societal debate going on regarding the legitimacy of cocaine or heroin as a medicine. Both of those drugs are already medicines. cocaine isn't a schedule one drug cause it's used by some anesthesiologists. Heroin, well, we know that morphine might as well be heroin plus when you break your leg they'll give you an opiate derivative. So there's kinda more to that argument than what I mentioned above. People are just dumb though cause they just don't realize that cannabis was EVER a medicine. ya feel me?
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#428895 - 06/04/10 07:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will feel ya, but its 20 bux.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Triptonic]
#428897 - 06/04/10 07:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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 how about some dancing bacon instead? but like i said i think that studies on people that use a vaporizer daily for a long period of time should be studied somehow to see what kind of long term effects there are purely from the chemicals in cannabis, rather than just the method of ingestion.
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So true. There are some serious bad effects, but most are long-term....
My friend in HS used to smoke everyday, all day. He got to the point where his lungs were so bad, he was coughing up this black "tar" shit. really nasty. But he smoked A LOT. Always stoned. But after awhile, even the bong hits hurt.
Also, I get really bad short-term memory loss when I smoke, that continues on to the next day. Not smoking increasing my memory like 100x. Its like night and day.
One of the worst is paranoia, thats mostly because I'm afraid the cops are 8right* next to me watching me smoking in the parking lot, while I'm inside my car. Paranoia sucks big time.
Then I heard it causes low sperm count? Anyone here of this? I definitely don't wanna have baby-sex when I'm stoned: that means my stoner sperm would make it to the egg. Those are the ones with bad memory....
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Can you PLEASE stop signing your name? Like why? Seriously dude. I know you get tired of typing it every time. 
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Nah man I dig his quotes
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Can you PLEASE stop signing your name? Like why? Seriously dude. I know you get tired of typing it every time.
No, you're right, I should stop doing that....but its so damn addicting! Its like high-quality weed, I just don't wanna stop, but I should anyway....
But you're right, it is pretty conceded and self-absorbed. But can I still do it when you aren't looking? Would that be OK?
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You dont need to stop doing high quality weed. If you can come up with a different phrase that fits the THC accronym you can keep it. Gotta be a different one each post and they have to make sense. IDk if toohandsconstantly makes sense. Two hands would make more sense i guess. im also all for cannabis use.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Triptonic]
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The anti pot people seem to think that smoking is the only way to ingest cannabis. Of course inhaling a combusted material is bad. that's common sense. Eat it or vaporize it if ya can't smoke it. I'd like to see some studies on long term effects of vaporization of cannabis on daily users. The people that want to debate cannabis being a medicine are just ignorant. It's probably the most useful plant known to man, was one of the first cultivated plants, and WAS a medicine before it was a recreational drug!
LOL cocaine was a medicine before it was a drug and so was heroin.
medicine = legal drug.
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The anti pot people seem to think that smoking is the only way to ingest cannabis. Of course inhaling a combusted material is bad. that's common sense. Eat it or vaporize it if ya can't smoke it. I'd like to see some studies on long term effects of vaporization of cannabis on daily users. The people that want to debate cannabis being a medicine are just ignorant. It's probably the most useful plant known to man, was one of the first cultivated plants, and WAS a medicine before it was a recreational drug!
LOL cocaine was a medicine before it was a drug and so was heroin.
medicine = legal drug.
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On that note, heroin is in fact still in use as a "medicine", but its processed into pills (abused as a drug as well).
Drugs like Oxycodn and Valium, essential pain killers, are synthetic heroin diveritives. So yeah, they are still in use today, just in a different form.
Recently for my speech persuasion class I made a realization: alcohol, a legal drug, has no current medical use. BUT, Marijuana, a nearly illegal drug, does currently have medical benefits.
Seems strange that the one with medical benefits is illegal for recreational use, while Alcohol, that kills many people per year from overdose, is legal.
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that's just what they want you to believe.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: FurrowedBrow]
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(please read ALL of this shit. And this is fact and opinion, more fact though)
Wait up, I know that there are many MANY purposes for smoking weed, if it's for pain, mental problems, some do it for social problems.
And I know that there is NOTHING in THC itself that is harmful to the body in any way.
But smoking marijuana is different, there are mildly harmful 'side effects' if you will that are present because of it being in it's natural form. It's not 'harmful' because of anything in the plant, it's because people are inhaling heated plant matter. People are being 'harmed' because of that, not because of anything harmful in the plant.
Example, tobacco: it isn't THAT harmful (Still very harmful) in it's natural form. Meaning no radioactive chemicals being used as pesticides or anything like that. If it were JUST tobacco, I'm completely sure a LOTTTTTTTT less people would be dying each year.
But quite frankly anyone that has any problems relating to tobacco use COMPLETELY deserves it, more people die because of ciggs than EVERY drug OD combined, meaning coke, heroine, meth, crystal, superscription pills. And so on.
    
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cannabis is fine your lungs, brain and sperm... it is actually good for you!
It gets you high- that's the side effect.
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try telling that to a doctor.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: FurrowedBrow]
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weed is the devils drug
its been 3 days since ive done meth and 5 days since i did crack+H but i can easily stop doing all of those but i cant stop smoking weed
yesterday when i woke up i unplugged my volcano and moved all my weed away from me and i couldnt last an hour before I was submitting to its comfort
weed is just to easy to do
too easy to grow
and so tasty
its everything good in one and therefore its the most evil drug.
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Wow, didn't see that coming.
So you hate weed now Coaster? That does seem very Coaster of you....
But I've been there, weed addiction....long time ago, like 2 years (OK not that long). I would have to smoke just to enjoy normal things. It sucked. Not smoked just made everything seem dull and boring. Pretty depressing.
And since weed got me in some serious trouble, its no longer than perfect drug I loved before. Someday, I will forgive her. Until then, it will be just a memory, sadly. They took my girl! F*$&K, I still pissed about that! Time heals all things thou....just gotta give it time.
Sad to see hate to MJ,
especially from Coaster
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Did you end up going to jail?
What is happeneing with you buddy?
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: FRACTALife]
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Not yet, my next court date is in July sometime. I guess I forgot to mention that in my other thread.
So, if you don't see me in July thru ?, you'll know I will be in prison or jail for my plant. Right now, I'm just enjoying the slowness of the court system, and enjoying my invaluable freedom.
I'm gunna miss ya guys, but right now, it seems all good.
Did I mentioned I stopped all drugs? It feels good. No weed, shrooms, LSD....I feel back to my normal self. I miss all the good stuff, but oh well, gotta stay straight until my real court date.
Not looking forward to July 
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They should teach african engineering at the college level. mcgyver 101
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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: MFDoom666]
#430646 - 06/10/10 03:23 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks man.
Yeah, it sucks so bad thinking I could be going to jail for my FIRST GROW! I mean, only losers get caught on their very first grow. I'm such a failure.... I will never take MJ growing lightly ever again: its definitely a serious business that should not be done without considering the consequences of being caught are....
Hopefully I won't get the book thrown at me. Its my first real offence (besides parking tickets) so I'm hopeful that it won't be so bad. I hope.
Anywho, wish me the best. Stay out of trouble MFDoom420. I'm serious. Don't incriminate yourself: its not worth it.
It never is....
~ T.h.c. ~
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Coaster
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wait wut happened wheres the story howd u get busted?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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 Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Coaster]
#430648 - 06/10/10 03:37 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess I forgot to tell you Coast...
Well, here's my original post I made in my Journal.
I also made a seperate one in the Smoker Longue so others would see and "learn" from my mistakes: it was called " My Plant was SEIZED by the Cops, and I'm Going to Jail Soon....
Basically, what happen was that one Saturday night, I was driving to an outdoor rave, and I packed some fresh weed clippings with me, hidden well in some bags. Well, it was midnight, and right outside the rave entrance, there were some cops camping out in a traffic trap, but my guess it was a "drug trap" for ravers going to the close-to-the-road outdoor rave. Th cop had their lights off, totally dark on the other side of the highway. They saw I had no lighting on my license plate, pulled me over.
Shortly after they pulled me over, they said "Can you step out of your car?", then they searched my car, found my fresh weed clippings, found my camera with photos of my plant, then took me over to my place, and raided it. They took my plant, the lighting I had on it, my mushroom set-up, all my mycelium jars.
I went to jail that night, then had a arraignment about a week ago, and my court date is sometime in July.
Thats pretty much it.
Worst experience of my life
~ T.H.c. ~
Edited by TrueHerbCrystal (06/10/10 03:39 AM)
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 Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Coaster]
#430650 - 06/10/10 03:51 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wait, you already knew I got busted Coaster...
Remember this post you made from my other thread:
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Coaster said:
they left it cuz they arldy had enuf evidence to pwn u but im glad u got high
If ya forgot, its cool man. I know when I used to toke, I would forget so much sh*t. It got out of hand. Its nice to be sober again: I can remember stuff! How's your memory these days Coaster?
I thought you knew
(I miss that weed high)
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Coaster
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fuck dude my memory is totally shot thanks for reminding me i feel bad for forgetting 
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Coaster]
#430653 - 06/10/10 04:23 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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No prob dude, I forgive ya.  I'll just blame it on the weed, if you don't mind.
For me, when I smoke all the time, I can only really remember the present, and anything before it is a blur. Like I'm constantly living in the moment. I'm guessing others feel that effect too.
As for me, I still haven't forgotten about your Acid-laying accident....you ever have any flashbacks? Do you feel different than before the accident?
Accidents happen
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Good lucky my dear friend, THC!  
Coaster, there is a big thread about it.
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MFDoom666
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i almost went down for cultivation last month, they searched my whole yard, except for the one square foot where the plant was.
i killed it right after they left, and the criminal mischief investigation on my disc golf buddy is over.
that's the reason they were even at my house.
scary shit, they had nine cops and the DA at my house, testing a bag of epsom salt that they found.
they let me flush some shwag too, which was pretty cool considering it could've been my fourth POM charge.
fuck the police.
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FurrowedBrow said:
They should teach african engineering at the college level. mcgyver 101
Harry_Ba11sach said:
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: MFDoom666]
#430746 - 06/10/10 12:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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oh man that is some bullshit. what probable cause did they have mf? those pom charges can add up quickly.
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MFDoom666
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#430785 - 06/10/10 01:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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i gave them consent after they mentioned some camera that could possibly contain evidence.
i told them everything in the house was mine, not even giving a fuck at that point.
i prepared myself for a long term prison sentence and hoped for the best.
since i played their little game with as much respect as i could, they let me flush the weed.
i think they're gonna keep an eye on things and wait for a narc to set me up so i'll being laying as low as possible for awhile.
no more weight, no more sales, no more fun.
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FurrowedBrow said:
They should teach african engineering at the college level. mcgyver 101
Harry_Ba11sach said:
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: MFDoom666]
#430792 - 06/10/10 01:41 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
MFDoom666 said:
i gave them consent after they mentioned some camera that could possibly contain evidence.
i told them everything in the house was mine, not even giving a fuck at that point.
i prepared myself for a long term prison sentence and hoped for the best.
since i played their little game with as much respect as i could, they let me flush the weed.
i think they're gonna keep an eye on things and wait for a narc to set me up so i'll being laying as low as possible for awhile.
no more weight, no more sales, no more fun.
that blows man
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i'll be having all my fun at other locations now, blowin' spots up on the daily.
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FurrowedBrow said:
They should teach african engineering at the college level. mcgyver 101
Harry_Ba11sach said:
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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iStoner
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Triptonic]
#430885 - 06/10/10 04:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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i have nothing to back this up but, its assumption, and things ive heard.
i think that, the reason so many people are harmed from tabbaco is because of all the chemicals and additives they put in mainstream cigs are dangerous. So if you smoke natural then your okay, but still smoke is harmful no matter what it is from. But tabbaco also has nicotine which is harmful so yeah.
Marijuana on the other hand is said to get rid of cancer, or calm it down. but you knw some people, dont react well to thc at all, no matter what the ingestion. its not always good for the heart and blood.
people who use a drug, are always gonna tell you how good it is. whether its cocain, weed, heroin, meth, mushrooms, lsd, MDMA. everything whether it is good or not.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: iStoner]
#430886 - 06/10/10 04:50 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah man, meth is great for you. Only if you brush your teeth with it, though.
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MFDoom666
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: DungenessDank]
#430901 - 06/10/10 05:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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meth is the only thing that cures my insatiable appetite, for meth.
 
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FurrowedBrow said:
They should teach african engineering at the college level. mcgyver 101
Harry_Ba11sach said:
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: MFDoom666]
#609540 - 02/16/12 05:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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just wanted to throw my two cents in here...
smoking anything is not good however in an LA Time article Harvard School of Medicine Dr. Lester Grinspoon explained that smoking marijuana is less harmful on the lungs than being in any major city with poor air quality. It's true the marijuana smoke alone is not bad, some argue that it has anti-carcinogenic properties even. I believe the BIGGEST problem these days, like your friend coughing up black shit, is that a LOTTTT of people in this generation smoke BLUNTS! That was not a popular method of smoking in previous generations therefore not much is known about it. But IMO think of it this way. A cigar is not even meant to be inhaled, just puffed on for taste. So now your using the leaves from that cigar to put marijuana in and smoke it, taking those hits deep in your lungs. Have you ever seen the tar literally juicing out of the tip ? Thats in our lungs! This is why when I have to twist up RAW hemp papers are the best and the king sized ones are great too!
THE OTHER BIGGEST PROBLEM I FACE with marijuana, and yes this is lashing out at people because it has the ability to kill, but all you dumbass motherfuckers out there who use these post-harvest chemical sprays applied directly on the buds to "enhance" your buds appearance, smell, taste, or w.e ...YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT AND NEED TO REALIZE you are potentially causing severe damage to the people you provide your bud to in attempts to make a few more bucks.....learn how to grow dank weed it really ins't that hard or expensive and you won't have to do shady shit like that. When I'm home and can get my bud from caregivers I never have to worry about this but when I'm at school in a "slow" state who hasn't recognized the benefits of medicinal marijuana then I'm forced to get shit from shady college kids who do that shit, my lung are still wheezing from this shit i got the other day (only 1 fucking gram) that smelled WAYYY too good and fruity that I suspected something was up.
Anyways those are two huge reasons to legalize cannabis and just two major issues i feel every pot smoker should recognize, anyone else have issues with the later thing as well in their area?
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: bm90191] 2
#609541 - 02/16/12 05:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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But Chintonic said it was bad!
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: bm90191]
#609545 - 02/16/12 08:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
bm90191 said:
just wanted to throw my two cents in here...
smoking anything is not good however in an LA Time article Harvard School of Medicine Dr. Lester Grinspoon explained that smoking marijuana is less harmful on the lungs than being in any major city with poor air quality. It's true the marijuana smoke alone is not bad, some argue that it has anti-carcinogenic properties even. I believe the BIGGEST problem these days, like your friend coughing up black shit, is that a LOTTTT of people in this generation smoke BLUNTS! That was not a popular method of smoking in previous generations therefore not much is known about it. But IMO think of it this way. A cigar is not even meant to be inhaled, just puffed on for taste. So now your using the leaves from that cigar to put marijuana in and smoke it, taking those hits deep in your lungs. Have you ever seen the tar literally juicing out of the tip ? Thats in our lungs! This is why when I have to twist up RAW hemp papers are the best and the king sized ones are great too!
THE OTHER BIGGEST PROBLEM I FACE with marijuana, and yes this is lashing out at people because it has the ability to kill, but all you dumbass motherfuckers out there who use these post-harvest chemical sprays applied directly on the buds to "enhance" your buds appearance, smell, taste, or w.e ...YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT AND NEED TO REALIZE you are potentially causing severe damage to the people you provide your bud to in attempts to make a few more bucks.....learn how to grow dank weed it really ins't that hard or expensive and you won't have to do shady shit like that. When I'm home and can get my bud from caregivers I never have to worry about this but when I'm at school in a "slow" state who hasn't recognized the benefits of medicinal marijuana then I'm forced to get shit from shady college kids who do that shit, my lung are still wheezing from this shit i got the other day (only 1 fucking gram) that smelled WAYYY too good and fruity that I suspected something was up.
Anyways those are two huge reasons to legalize cannabis and just two major issues i feel every pot smoker should recognize, anyone else have issues with the later thing as well in their area?
OMG I finally figured it out. YOU are the Chin-o-matic's new puppet!
Oh yay welcome back tubtard!!!
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Harry, you're wrong!
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Stoneth]
#609553 - 02/16/12 11:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not convinced. Look at how angry that post is.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Stoneth]
#609554 - 02/16/12 11:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i love everything about smoking except those two things thats it.
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Quote:
Harry_Ba11sach said:
I'm not convinced. Look at how angry that post is.
If he's tubby, then he went on one hell of a diet.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Stoneth]
#609560 - 02/16/12 11:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh he posted pictures? I didn't see those.
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Stoneth
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There right here in his gallery.
http://www.growery.org/forums/usergallery.php?gallery=8329
No face shots, which means he's smarter than tubby, but there's enough to know it's not the same person.
Not to mention, he hasn't went out of his way to troll you.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: Stoneth]
#609563 - 02/16/12 11:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haha, you're right, definitely not the tubsauce!
Sorry bm90191, I like you again now.
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lol i didn't know we were ever on bad terms!
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: bm90191]
#609566 - 02/16/12 12:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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We're not, but if you were Triptonic I'm sure it would only be a matter of time.
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iStoner
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From what i've seen, marijuana isn't all that bad physically, but mentally i think it can really fuck you up if you're not in the right mindset.
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still beLIEve
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Quote:
TrueHerbCrystal said:
Drugs like Oxycodn and Valium, essential pain killers, are synthetic heroin diveritives. So yeah, they are still in use today, just in a different form.
lol no?
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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: still beLIEve]
#609596 - 02/16/12 05:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
still beLIEve said:
Quote:
TrueHerbCrystal said:
Drugs like Oxycodn and Valium, essential pain killers, are synthetic heroin diveritives. So yeah, they are still in use today, just in a different form.
lol no?
LMFAO Oxycodone* first of all..yes that is a drug synthesized from the POPPY plant but I would never relate that to heroin sure its a similar feeling and all but definitely not "synthetic heroin" . Valium is a benzodiazepine which is an anti-anxiety that have nothing at all associated with opiate based pain killers. Lets get our drug facts straight here
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still beLIEve
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: bm90191]
#609597 - 02/16/12 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah i was commenting on the valium comment
not even same drug class lol
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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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bm90191
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: still beLIEve]
#609600 - 02/16/12 06:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
still beLIEve said:
yeah i was commenting on the valium comment
not even same drug class lol
lol i know man to give him the benefit of the doubt we'll assume he was referring to vicodin ...got the first letter right at least lol
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: bm90191]
#609606 - 02/16/12 07:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not sure about that! I nod plentyfull off valium
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Re: I'm all for cannabis use. [Re: King Koopa]
#609608 - 02/16/12 07:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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doesn't matter if you nod or not ...its not an opiate and has no traces of opiates in it what so ever
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