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 SalviaNshrooms9090
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 Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h 
#415086 - 05/10/10 10:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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hi i am dead set on growing mi5 and onyx outdoors my thing is i dont know if i want to just get all fem seeds (which i know wont be all females anyway) or get 20 reg seeds i do plan on getting seeds from atleast 1 plant too. see im not trying to spend the extra cash for soil. because im using 3 gallon buckets and good soil so it adds up.what i was thinking of doing was either starting 10 indoors and then transplanting after sex or starting 10 reg indoors and 10 reg outdoors. well any help thank you in advance
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#415096 - 05/10/10 11:41 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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If your wanting to make your own seeds.....I would say get regular beans for that. 
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415110 - 05/10/10 12:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well it depends where ur located. Where I'm at the grow season is just around the corner (last frost is in 2 weeks or so). Assuming you are in the same position... I would say it's too late to sex and even if you get fem'd seeds there gonna take a week to get to you...then say another week to germ. You'd be pretty far behind. (This is just Imo of course. I like big plants to start with....my clones are bout a foot tall atm)
At this point i'd reccomend getting some fem'd beans and just start them outside. I'd say that'd be ur best bet.
Unless you really do wanna breed...then yeah get a reg pack.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: Farmer Joe]
#415120 - 05/10/10 12:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i have plenty of time to grow my autos in my area northeast usa most people start regular strains in may around here and harvest is in september or october and i plan on harvesting in august. i am def planning on breeding some maybe even crossing a good onyx with a good mi5 that would be new strain lol. and i want to strt them indoors that way i can give them more light its about 14 hours day light right now i could bring that up to 20 or so...
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#415137 - 05/10/10 12:48 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whats nice about most of the autos is you can have more then one harvest in a season! 
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#415144 - 05/10/10 12:59 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh no shit. I'm still not very knowledgeable with strains....didn't realize they were autos. I was wondering why you were using 3 gal pots...makes sense now.
Guess the people in my area do things a lil different. I'm from maine and everyone I know starts everything in the early spring. So clones are real big before they go outisde. To each is own though.
You gonna do a log with the AF's?
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415146 - 05/10/10 01:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would go with 20 regs. Feminized seeds are kind of cool, but unless growing conditions are optimal, there really is no guarantee you will have a female. I can tell you right now from personal experience, if you buy feminized seeds, you can indeed end up with a male.
A study was done once that demonstrated that female plants grown from feminized seeds, have a higher tendency to herm if they are stressed than female plants grown from regular seeds.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/394
Yes, you have a higher chance of getting a female, but after what I just said, do you really feel the price difference is justifiable for what feminized seeds do? 
Food for thought.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415164 - 05/10/10 01:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would go with 20 regs. Feminized seeds are kind of cool, but unless growing conditions are optimal, there really is no guarantee you will have a female. I can tell you right now from personal experience, if you buy feminized seeds, you can indeed end up with a male.
A study was done once that demonstrated that female plants grown from feminized seeds, have a higher tendency to herm if they are stressed than female plants grown from regular seeds.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/394
Yes, you have a higher chance of getting a female, but after what I just said, do you really feel the price difference is justifiable for what feminized seeds do?
Food for thought.
I think this is very dependent on the breeder. Because if a plant that turned HERMIE is used to pollinate a female, thin it is quite obvious you will prolly end up with hermies. But if a breeder takes their time and does the work you will not end up with hermies. And to accomplish that the breeder would stress out all the plants and the ones that turn hermie under stress are NOT used.
And then a chemical is introduced to cause the plant to hermie. The plants used do not turn hermie under stressed out conditions, instead they turn hermie because of chemical application. Normal "stresses" won't cause them to go hermie.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415182 - 05/10/10 01:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even doing that it doesn't mean that you absolutely will not come out with hermies. There is no 100% guarantee of that. Any seed can have that potential.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: Farmer Joe]
#415207 - 05/10/10 02:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah im deff gonna start a journel cuz i cant find one for outdoors on theese 2 strains...
and yeah i know from personal experience as well that not all fem seeds will give you females
but there is that silver collzz thing that magash wrote about that is way to scientific for me to understand but it gives you all females and no hemies or w/e
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415222 - 05/10/10 02:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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and the price difference there is none actually
10 reg seeds of mi5 its $50
and 5 fem mi5 seeds is also $50
same with onyx
both strains are from short stuff.
but with other strains they charge extra for fem seeds so i thought this was interesting and its why im actually debating otherwise id just go with reg.
Edited by SalviaNshrooms9090 (05/10/10 02:32 PM)
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#415237 - 05/10/10 02:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who breeds these strains you are planning on growing?
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415240 - 05/10/10 02:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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short stuff seeds from attitude i dont know the breeder is known as stitch lol
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415243 - 05/10/10 02:59 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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brifunforme said:
I think this is very dependent on the breeder. Because if a plant that turned HERMIE is used to pollinate a female, thin it is quite obvious you will prolly end up with hermies. But if a breeder takes their time and does the work you will not end up with hermies. And to accomplish that the breeder would stress out all the plants and the ones that turn hermie under stress are NOT used.
And then a chemical is introduced to cause the plant to hermie. The plants used do not turn hermie under stressed out conditions, instead they turn hermie because of chemical application. Normal "stresses" won't cause them to go hermie.
Absolutely irrelevant. The fact that you can end up with a male plant from a feminized seed does not justify the prices of feminized seeds. They are a scam in my opinion.
I'm not sure I know what "normal stresses" are. Any plant can hermie if it's stressed enough.
Sure. In theory, if everything goes perfect, you have nothing to worry about in terms of hermies. This is the same for female plants grown from regular seeds. That's the point.
Once again, their prices are not justified. They are not worth buying.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415279 - 05/10/10 03:18 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ummm, I dont know where your shopping but most female seeds are pretty close and sometimes cheaper then the regular ones.
And I dont think my comment was completely irrelevant, it was in response to you talking about hermies.
And by normal stresses I mean environmental stresses NOT chemical stress. And if the hermie trait is bred OUT of the mother plants before seeds are made the end seed is much more tolerant to environmental stresses.
You just have to stabilize the traits you want BEFORE you start making the feminized seeds. Not just pick any old plant and make it turn hermie and pollinate and say wow I just made feminized seeds! (NO, you just made hermaphrodite seeds!)
When it comes to feminized beans it is all in the breeder as to how good the seed will be.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415309 - 05/10/10 03:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ummm, I dont know where your shopping but most female seeds are pretty close and sometimes cheaper then the regular ones.
Gimme some links.
And I dont think my comment was completely irrelevant, it was in response to you talking about hermies.
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brifunforme said:And by normal stresses I mean environmental stresses NOT chemical stress. And if the hermie trait is bred OUT of the mother plants before seeds are made the end seed is much more tolerant to environmental stresses.
You just have to stabilize the traits you want BEFORE you start making the feminized seeds. Not just pick any old plant and make it turn hermie and pollinate and say wow I just made feminized seeds! (NO, you just made hermaphrodite seeds!)
When it comes to feminized beans it is all in the breeder as to how good the seed will be.
You're making some very extreme statements there and I don't think you have anything to back that up with. Nor should you be arguing this given you're lack of growing experience.
I'm not talking about environmental stresses, I'm talking about real stressers. Heat, dehydration, deficiencies. Growing marijuana is an extremely long process and there are hundreds of things that could potentially go wrong within hours, especially if you are hydroponic.
You cannot "breed out" hermephroditism. I am familiar with the technique you are talking about, regardless it does not guarantee you 100% females with absolutely no chance of hermies. It just doesn't work that way.
Prove me wrong.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415336 - 05/10/10 03:58 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#415347 - 05/10/10 04:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Those are all autoflowers.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins] 1
#415355 - 05/10/10 04:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah thats what im growing dude..... lol
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415361 - 05/10/10 04:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
a link sure
http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/short-stuff-seeds/cat_134.html
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Ummm, I dont know where your shopping but most female seeds are pretty close and sometimes cheaper then the regular ones.
Gimme some links.
And I dont think my comment was completely irrelevant, it was in response to you talking about hermies.
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brifunforme said:And by normal stresses I mean environmental stresses NOT chemical stress. And if the hermie trait is bred OUT of the mother plants before seeds are made the end seed is much more tolerant to environmental stresses.
You just have to stabilize the traits you want BEFORE you start making the feminized seeds. Not just pick any old plant and make it turn hermie and pollinate and say wow I just made feminized seeds! (NO, you just made hermaphrodite seeds!)
When it comes to feminized beans it is all in the breeder as to how good the seed will be.
You're making some very extreme statements there and I don't think you have anything to back that up with. Nor should you be arguing this given you're lack of growing experience.
I'm not talking about environmental stresses, I'm talking about real stressers. Heat, dehydration, deficiencies. Growing marijuana is an extremely long process and there are hundreds of things that could potentially go wrong within hours, especially if you are hydroponic.
You cannot "breed out" hermephroditism. I am familiar with the technique you are talking about, regardless it does not guarantee you 100% females with absolutely no chance of hermies. It just doesn't work that way.
Prove me wrong.
First, I didnt say you could "breed out" "hermaphroditsm" I said breed out the TRAIT. Which simply means, to breed with plants that do not show a tendency to turn hermie over ENVIRONMENTAL factors. By Environmental I mean, the light they receive,the nutes, the temperature, etc etc....those are all environmental factors.
I also never said that you were guaranteed 100% female plants and I also never said that you would not get an occasional hermy plant. What I SAID was it depends on the breeder who creates the seed whether or not they would be shitty seeds.
And You may think I have a lack of experience in growing, that is fine with me. This is the internet and things are not always what they appear. But thats besides the point. I am allowed to express my opinion and dont have to "prove you wrong" I have no desire to. I was simply saying that to say "all feminized seeds are a rip off" Is just completely wrong.
Because you had one bad experience you say they are all a rip off. THAT in itself shows me and everyone else that you probably have too little experience to be arguing what YOU are arguing!
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#415366 - 05/10/10 04:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
yeah thats what im growing dude..... lol
Oh my bad broski. I'm a little tired right now.  I just read the title, then just started writing.
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Because you had one bad experience you say they are all a rip off. THAT in itself shows me and everyone else that you probably have too little experience to be arguing what YOU are arguing!
Take a chill pill man, I'm not trying to get personal with you. There are quite a number of other growers on here that also have the same stance as me (this includes some of the "trusted cultivators") that, in general, commercially sold feminized seeds are simply not worth the money due to instability. Certainly the private cultivator can produce his own seeds, and they are probably better than what you can get on the market. What I'm saying is buying them is a waste of money, because you can achieve the same if not better results with regular seeds. This is fact. Please explain why you disagree with this?
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Also, I made the assumption that you lack growing experience based on the posts you've made in the cult forums. I'm not trying to put you down, but I mean if you're arguing something you don't really fully understand then you shouldn't really be arguing what you are arguing right now because it is actually very complex.
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Edited by TomCollins (05/10/10 04:27 PM)
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415371 - 05/10/10 04:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
yeah thats what im growing dude..... lol
Oh my bad broski. I'm a little tired right now. I just read the title, then just started writing.
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Because you had one bad experience you say they are all a rip off. THAT in itself shows me and everyone else that you probably have too little experience to be arguing what YOU are arguing!
Take a chill pill man, I'm not trying to get personal with you. There are quite a number of other growers on here that also have the same stance as me (this includes some of the "trusted cultivators") that, in general, commercially sold feminized seeds are simply not worth the money due to instability. Certainly the private cultivator can produce his own seeds, and they are probably better than what you can get on the market. What I'm saying is buying them is a waste of money, because you can achieve the same if not better results with regular seeds. This is fact. Please explain why you disagree with this?
Thats not what you said tho. You said they were a rip off and would get bad results with them. That is simply NOT TRUE in every case. It depends on the breeder that you get the seeds from. And feminized seeds are not much more then regular seeds in most cases.
As for it not being worth it, that also depends on the persons circumstances. If they are growing legally and need to keep their plant numbers down but need medicine like right now. It would be a good idea to get feminized seeds to be able to grow the number of allowed plants without having to deal with males.
It would also be good for people with limited space etc etc... It depends on the situation. But to say that all feminized seeds are rip offs and worthless...Is WRONG, simple as that.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415373 - 05/10/10 04:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
yeah thats what im growing dude..... lol
Oh my bad broski. I'm a little tired right now. I just read the title, then just started writing.
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brifunforme said:
Because you had one bad experience you say they are all a rip off. THAT in itself shows me and everyone else that you probably have too little experience to be arguing what YOU are arguing!
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Also, I made the assumption that you lack growing experience based on the posts you've made in the cult forums. I'm not trying to put you down, but I mean if you're arguing something you don't really fully understand then you shouldn't really be arguing what you are arguing right now because it is actually very complex.
What I've posted in the cult forums doesn't suggest I know nothing about growing. If you read between the lines, or actually just read my posts you will see that I dont ask cultivation questions. I ask questions regarding indoor set ups, hydroponic nutrients, etc etc... I did ask one question about PH tho. Again, not something that I worried about too much when mother nature was balancing that for me.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415381 - 05/10/10 04:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im not saying Im some professional grower. But I have more experience and more knowledge on the plant then you may think. Just because my questions are regarding information on nutrients,lights,hydroponic setups etc etc...
Does not mean I dont have enough knowledge to argue what I am arguing. If anyone doesn't have enough knowledge to argue what they are arguing it is you good sir.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415386 - 05/10/10 04:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats not what you said tho. You said they were a rip off and would get bad results with them.
Would you mind quoting where I said that? Because I don't believe I did say that.
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brifunforme said: It would be a good idea to get feminized seeds to be able to grow the number of allowed plants without having to deal with males.
You are right. However, feminized seeds can produce male plants and female plants that were grown from feminized seeds have a tendency to hermie easier than females grown from regular seeds, according to that study I posted on that previous page. Based on personal experience and what other members on this site have said, I am inclined to agree.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415391 - 05/10/10 04:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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jesus your both right! LOL Not all female seeds will become females Say you took 100 female seeds and 100 reg seeds your probably going to a higher % of females from the female seeds however, everybody with experience knows that you are still going to get males or hemies so its really pointless to buy females seeds for that matter however if you have limited funds like me LOL then female seeds can be a way of saving time energy resources and space.... hell u rather smoke a hermie than a male right? just seperate them from the females. ALSO think of it this way you can have 8 females from 10 reg seeds unlikly but possible....
but wtf do i know im drunk so just excuse me lol
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#415398 - 05/10/10 04:50 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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if you have limited funds like me LOL then female seeds can be a way of saving time energy resources and space....
Well since female seeds are more expensive than regular seeds (excluding feminized auto-flowers) this statement would not make much sense.
However, I do agree that auto-flowers are great for people with limited funds and resources.
I thought we were talking about real grows though.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415413 - 05/10/10 04:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
if you have limited funds like me LOL then female seeds can be a way of saving time energy resources and space....
Well since female seeds are more expensive than regular seeds (excluding feminized auto-flowers) this statement would not make much sense.
However, I do agree that auto-flowers are great for people with limited funds and resources.
I thought we were talking about real grows though.
Whats not real about an autoflowering plant grow? You still use nutrients,PH,lights,soil,hydro, etc etc.. And the end result is as real as any other grow!
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415421 - 05/10/10 05:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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brifunforme said:
Whats not real about an autoflowering plant grow? You still use nutrients,PH,lights,soil,hydro, etc etc.. And the end result is as real as any other grow!
You can't get as big.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415422 - 05/10/10 05:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah but these autoflowers are the beasts of the autoflowering world they easily surpass every other auto outthere for sure what other auto yeild 2 ounces to 5 ounces OUTDOORS? in <3 months? sure it takes a bit longer than ak47 and everything else but the great thing is the onyx was bred with ak47 white russian diesal lowryder and many more....
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#415427 - 05/10/10 05:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah but these autoflowers are the beasts of the autoflowering world they easily surpass every other auto outthere.
Boom. Auto-flower is it's own tier. I'm not saying you don't get real bud out them. Brif just doesn't seem to know the advantages of being in control of when your plant flowers.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415430 - 05/10/10 05:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah i feel ya you can get much bigger plants from reg but autoflowers have their place too especially for the gurrilla grower. after all those bloody rippers go out when in harvest season? but if i harvest before everyone else thats just one less thing to worry about really.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415434 - 05/10/10 05:22 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
yeah but these autoflowers are the beasts of the autoflowering world they easily surpass every other auto outthere.
Boom. Auto-flower is it's own tier. I'm not saying you don't get real bud out them. Brif just doesn't seem to know the advantages of being in control of when your plant flowers.
Yeah I do. I also know that autoflowers are stealthy,and you can have several harvests in one season. You can also harvest at times LEO doesnt even fly in choppers looking for them. Growing an auto strain is just as "real" as any other strain! You like to try and twists peoples words into what they aren't.
Im gonna ask you a question and would seriously like an honest answer. Im not being a jerk or trying to argue at all in anything we have discussed. But I am going to go out on a limb here and say that you have some type of psychology background dont you? You've either had classes, have a parent that has a degree or something. Don't you?! Be honest!
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415601 - 05/10/10 09:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, here we go. Now if feminized seed is done right (and there is a lot of work to this) the rates of hermis to normal plants can be brought to within a half a percent of regular seeds. I have done the tests myself not hundreds of times but thousands. (that's not a joke)
The vast majority of feminized seeds sold do just fine we don't hear from all the people that get the results they want but from those that don't cause they whine about it. Then again a lot is gonna depend on who you get the seeds from.
Take Soma. He's an all organic grower that has great strains and he does feminized seeds. Problem is the process is anything but organic so he has a ton of complaints with the method he uses. Then there are companies like Dutch Passion that just mass market their fems with no quality checking.
Then there are some companies like Female Seeds. They do the work needed to bring the numbers down. Yes some strains are more prone to hermies when in feminized seed form but a company that has done there work should be able to tell you the percentage of plants that this will happen to.
Myself the only time I use male pollen is when making new strains. Once I have the strain down to make the seeds I use only the female pollen. I have found that the plants are much more uniform when done this way and is much easier to give the customer exactly what they are looking for with less chance of there being different phenos.
There is much more to this that I just don't have in me to get into right now. 
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: Magash]
#415754 - 05/11/10 07:03 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I appreciate a trusted cultivator chiming in on it! Thanks magash, I knew I wasn't losing my mind!
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: Magash]
#415780 - 05/11/10 09:56 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I appreciate a trusted cultivator chiming in on it! Thanks magash, I knew I wasn't losing my mind!
Nobody said you were. It's just that the commercial price of feminized seeds is simply unjustified because it is simply not a guarantee that you will end up with a female and there is no guarantee you will end up with a hermie. I am only talking about commercially sold seeds and I'm speaking in general. In general, commercially sold feminized seeds have hermie tendencies.
I'm not saying you shouldn't buy them if you really want them. I'm just saying there really isn't much justification for the price difference and you could in fact just as easily have the same results with regular commercial seeds.
Saying you can make feminized seeds with no chance of hermies is simply not true.
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...there are companies like Dutch Passion that just mass market their fems with no quality checking.
Yes some strains are more prone to hermies when in feminized seed form but a company that has done there work should be able to tell you the percentage of plants that this will happen to.
Even Magasg is saying the same thing. In general, commercial feminized seeds aren't great quality. However, even companies that do the work to get the numbers down, cannot guarantee you all females and no chance of hermies.
I don't understand what you're trying to even argue anymore.
Edited by TomCollins (05/11/10 10:01 AM)
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415795 - 05/11/10 10:32 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was arguing the fact that it is dependent on the company selling the seeds as to whether or not it is worth it to buy seeds. And if I buy a pack of female seeds white widow, and a pack of nirvana white widow, I am probably going to get more females from the female seeds.
And you keep saying that feminized seeds are soooooooo much more then the other commercial strains. Thats not so true any more. More later but I have to go take care of some things and get the house in order.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415818 - 05/11/10 12:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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brifunforme said:
And if I buy a pack of female seeds white widow, and a pack of nirvana white widow, I am probably going to get more females from the female seeds.
Yes, that is a posbility. Guess what else is a possibility?
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brifunforme said:And you keep saying that feminized seeds are soooooooo much more then the other commercial strains. Thats not so true any more.
Link?
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Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415822 - 05/11/10 12:48 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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attitude seeds, drchronic, seedboutique.
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: brifunforme]
#415883 - 05/11/10 03:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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attitude seeds, drchronic, seedboutique.
Thanks for the helpful links. I can see you are a good and helpful person, and will be an excellent addition to this community.
Now for the record, I did not say that feminized seeds will give you bad results like you claim I did. I did not say that they are "soooooooooooooooooooooooo much more expensive." That is not at all what I said. Please do not put words in my mouth.
Here are 3 strains from drchronic. Their regular and feminized seeds.
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BARNEYS FARM FEMINISED X 10 G13 HAZE £78.00
BARNEYS G 13 HAZE REGULAR X 10 £51.00
http://www.drchronic.com/products.asp?partno=BARN18
http://www.drchronic.com/products.asp?partno=barn%20G%2013%20Haze%20x%205%20%20fem
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BIG BUDDAH SEEDS FEMINISED X 10 CHEESE £50.00
BIG BUBBAH SEEDS REGULAR X 10 CHEESE £28.99
http://www.drchronic.com/products.asp?partno=cheese
http://www.drchronic.com/products.asp?partno=Big%20Buddha%20Cheese%20fems%20x%2010
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SENSI SEEDS FEMINISED X 10 BIG BUD £99.00
SENSI SEEDS REGULAR X 10 BIG BUD £83.01
http://www.drchronic.com/products.asp?partno=ss-big~bud
http://www.drchronic.com/products.asp?partno=SEN-FEM%20BIG%20BUD
Now here's my question: Knowing full well that you can end up with males when you grow from feminized seeds, in addition to knowing full well that female plants grown from feminized seeds are known to, in general, herm easier than plants from regular seeds, why would you spend the extra buck? Is there any reason?
Edited by TomCollins (05/11/10 03:56 PM)
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Re: Should i buy 10 fem seeds or 20 reg seeds???h [Re: TomCollins]
#415927 - 05/11/10 04:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even Magasg is saying the same thing. In general, commercial feminized seeds aren't great quality. However, even companies that do the work to get the numbers down, cannot guarantee you all females and no chance of hermies.
Ok, this is true but it is true of any seed. Like I said if the work has been done the percentage of hermies will be withing a half a percentage point of regular seeds that a hermie will occur. You just have to get them from the right place or be willing to do the work yourself. Just look up the complaints and who they got the seeds from and I'll bet it's either Soma or Dutch Passion in at least 80% of them. (esp Dutch Passion which are pretty much hermies in a bag)
Now as far as the price difference I don't think there should be one at all and myself won't charge different prices. (If your looking to start new parent plants to work with get regular seeds for the different phenos to pick from. Looking for all females right away and something that grows more uniform to one another then go feminized.) Once the parent plants are picked it's not a whole lot more work to make fem-ed seeds. Yes you have a lot less pollen to work with but that is still a million times more then you need considering a thimble of pollen can pollinate half a acre of plants.
(by the way who is Magasg sounds Japanese)
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