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 TheMerryGangster
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 Re: This is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!11  [Re: juke adro]
#401951 - 04/15/10 12:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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The cool thing about me not caring whether you believe me or not, is just that! Haha, I've posted pics on shroomery's POST YOUR DANK thread, too lazy to do anymore (mostly of my full melt blue dream bubble hash, I don't have a good camera so I couldn't post defined enough pics to show the quality regardless)
Bottomline, if you want to know how to make oil that good you need to follow my advice or meet the criteria I said.
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whether or not its organic
whether you choose to use organic ferts or not has no impact on the final product when making hash.
I wish people would stop pushing misinformation like that. Organic is just a label to put a higher price on a product/make people feel better about themselves. You can grow a shitty crop of bud just as easily with organic ferts as you can with chemical. Likewise, you can produce buds/hash of better or equal quality using chemcial ferts properly as well as organics.
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juke adro
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Bottomline, if you want to know how to make oil that good you need to follow my advice or meet the criteria I said.
LOL
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Harry_Ba11sach
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I've made BHO that good...I have some right now. It's all about the quality of trim you're working with, whether or not its organic, quality of the bud that the trim originated from, can't be any powdery mildew or other things of that nature. Obviously using buds would produce better oil but the Blue Dream trim was so good that I ended up with oil that good.
First pull my oil (using Vector*) fell into the pan and it was completely clear, no color to it, I thought I something was wrong and was pissed until a razor blade revealed completely clear amber oil as soon as I started scraping. Shit's potent! As mentioned above, as you might imagine it has very little smell...until you burn it :].
Would you explain what exactly you mean by that? what is Vector?
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Re: This is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!11 [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#402235 - 04/15/10 08:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Vector is a brand of 5x filtered butane.
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TheMerryGangster
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Re: This is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!11 [Re: coda]
#403023 - 04/16/10 11:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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whether or not its organic
whether you choose to use organic ferts or not has no impact on the final product when making hash.
I wish people would stop pushing misinformation like that. Organic is just a label to put a higher price on a product/make people feel better about themselves. You can grow a shitty crop of bud just as easily with organic ferts as you can with chemical. Likewise, you can produce buds/hash of better or equal quality using chemcial ferts properly as well as organics.
Hahahaha.
Adding synthetic molasses/sugar based supplements to your plants produces sugar crystals in addition to true trichome formation, and can be the difference between true full melt or not when it comes to bubble hash, and most certainly makes a different in the potency per volume and quality of the oil you extract. Organic is always better, that's not misinformation. If you think otherwise you obviously don't know what you're talking about when it comes to cultivating marijuana and that's a fact. Synthetic = shit, I know plenty of cultivators in North Cali that would school synthetic grow ops both in results and quality and don't doubt it.
I just smoked buds from two different grows of Blue Dream, one synthetic and one organic run (one commercial and one personal). Same genetics, same growing conditions... The difference is clear as day; only the organic produces true full melt hash (tried both side by side same micron screen from the bag set), and in comparison of the smoke, well there is no comparison. You can't flush all the traces of the salts and other nutrients from synthetic ferts out of the plant as efficiently - it's harsh, tastes way inferior, and burns unnaturally. As if this weren't enough proof, the organic was even fed an ORGANIC molasses supplement but still yielded these better results.
In no way did I imply that organic automatically or inherently means the final product is going to be high grade or properly grown marijuana. But It's a no brainer: properly grown organic bud > properly grown synthetic bud, period.
Also before you take the know-it-all approach you might want to actually read what people post. I made it pretty clear that the quality of the bud/plant material your using is an important factor in addition to the other ones I said.
There is a reason clubs pay more for organic medicine. 
Edited by TheMerryGangster (04/17/10 12:03 AM)
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Harry_Ba11sach
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whether or not its organic
whether you choose to use organic ferts or not has no impact on the final product when making hash.
I wish people would stop pushing misinformation like that. Organic is just a label to put a higher price on a product/make people feel better about themselves. You can grow a shitty crop of bud just as easily with organic ferts as you can with chemical. Likewise, you can produce buds/hash of better or equal quality using chemcial ferts properly as well as organics.
Organic is always better, that's not misinformation. If you think otherwise you obviously don't know what you're talking about when it comes to cultivating marijuana and that's a fact. Synthetic = shit
You just lost ALL respect I had for you. YOU clearly have no idea what you're talking about because if you had even the slightest comprehension of how organic nutrients actually behave in a soil profile you would understand how utterly misinformed your statement there is.
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There is a reason clubs pay more for organic medicine.
The clubs pay more for organic medicine because plants grown organically grow slower and yield less. Therefore the farmers who grew it charge more per unit weight to cover their operating costs at a similar profit margin. As for why it grows slower and yields less, you'll unlock the secret to that when you finish reading on what nutrients actually are and how they interact with soil microfauna within the rhizosphere.
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captain.koons
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It kind of amazes me how much you were able to include in your posts with NO REASONS as to why.
Some may reason, that organics don't burn plants as easily.
Organics may increase brynx (sugar) levels in plants. Controversially proven to produce secondary flavinoids in which aren't produced in non-organic situations.
No use of pesticides to ruin the taste of buds... etc.
Your first sentence of molasses causing the production of sugar crystals is laughable. The molasses is a source of sugar which is easily utilized by the plants metabolism, an assortment of vitamins(specifically B vitamins), and trace minerals essential to plant health. I wish I could smash your reasoning but I don't even know what you're trying to say in most of your post mostly because you lack any sort of actual scientific foundation.
The fuck is sugar crystals?
The fuck is salts and other nutrients?
Salts in chemistry refers to an ionic compound with a neutral electric charge. Although in many hydroponic fertilizers the nutrients will have chemical compounds this is to achieve "salt" form. No nutrients are achieved without some sort of organic source. Inorganic or synthetic is such a stupid label and has been debated for a long time. It's proven that some inorganic or synthetic nutrients are better sources of plant nutrition than their organic counterpart. A lot of these so called synthetic nutrients come from organic sources and are refined to be more plant soluble thus no longer being organic by label. How is it that something that comes from the earth that has been refined to be more plant soluble is shit whereas it's less effective organic counterpart is what you advocate? This sort of lab refinement prevents plants from spending useful energy on the uptake and breakdown of nutrients not directly available to the metabolism of the plant. As I'm sure you're not aware of bacteria is responsible for what the lab does just at a much slower past and without the same efficiency.
As a plant physiologist I don't see why anyone would want their plants to uptake nutrients which aren't directly utilized by their plants metabolism, cost more, are known to remain in plant tissues (NOT TALKING ABOUT SYNTHETIC NUTRIENTS - as once a large organic molecule is taken up into the plant tissue it may not be broken down before the time of harvest) etc. Once organic nutrients are fully composted and often times sterilized to kill off the living bacteria within they can be branded as organic and have the same sort of ionic compounds found in General Hydroponics brand of fertilizer for example.
Granted, some organic products have truly interesting properties that are often times utilized along side synthetic products by farmers. Such as Fulvic/Humic acids, plant hormones, vitamins, sugars, etc. For basic plant nutrition though I don't believe there's any difference from a fully composted source and a refined nutrient produced under lab conditions.
Many reputable people in cannabis believe that organics have a fuller taste due to the uptake of larger organic molecules, stuff that isn't utilized by the metabolism of the plant. In many food crops organic crops have been shown to be sweeter but as far as I know there haven't been enough studies to give conclusive results. Sugar not given ample time to be utilized by the metabolism could be attributed to a sweeter crop, however I don't believe in your theory of "sugar crystals" 
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juke adro
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captain.koons
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Re: This is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!11 [Re: juke adro]
#403104 - 04/17/10 09:06 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, basically.
Let's all spam his ratings now.
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Re: This is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!11 [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#403137 - 04/17/10 10:29 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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whether or not its organic
whether you choose to use organic ferts or not has no impact on the final product when making hash.
I wish people would stop pushing misinformation like that. Organic is just a label to put a higher price on a product/make people feel better about themselves. You can grow a shitty crop of bud just as easily with organic ferts as you can with chemical. Likewise, you can produce buds/hash of better or equal quality using chemcial ferts properly as well as organics.
Organic is always better, that's not misinformation. If you think otherwise you obviously don't know what you're talking about when it comes to cultivating marijuana and that's a fact. Synthetic = shit
You just lost ALL respect I had for you. YOU clearly have no idea what you're talking about because if you had even the slightest comprehension of how organic nutrients actually behave in a soil profile you would understand how utterly misinformed your statement there is.
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There is a reason clubs pay more for organic medicine.
The clubs pay more for organic medicine because plants grown organically grow slower and yield less. Therefore the farmers who grew it charge more per unit weight to cover their operating costs at a similar profit margin. As for why it grows slower and yields less, you'll unlock the secret to that when you finish reading on what nutrients actually are and how they interact with soil microfauna within the rhizosphere.
This is honestly hilarious, I'd like to see you make this argument to anyone in California who knows what they're talking about. The only ones riding the fail boat is you guys if you honestly think organic is inferior or synthetics can produce better results. 
Organic doesn't mean you yield less  , that statement right there proves you have no idea what you're talking about. I know cultivators that yield 1.5-2 pounds a light with a 100% organic set up. And it makes it grow slower...are you just talking out of your ass? I don't even need to address this. Clubs pay more because the medicine they sell should be flushed of dissolved salts and any traces of unnatural compounds used which feeding the bud. You cannot effectively remove as many of these dissolved salts when using synthetics. Once again, this is common knowledge among cultivators. Many clubs are starting to do actual testing on buds before they purchase it, they want organic!
"Your first sentence of molasses causing the production of sugar crystals is laughable. The molasses is a source of sugar which is easily utilized by the plants metabolism, an assortment of vitamins(specifically B vitamins), and trace minerals essential to plant health. I wish I could smash your reasoning but I don't even know what you're trying to say in most of your post mostly because you lack any sort of actual scientific foundation."
Yes, molasses and sugar supplements are easily utilized and benefit many aspects of the growth of marijuana plants, but they also make trichomes swell. I gave you a real life example of trying two different results side by side, one given an organic/natural sugar based blend, which was designed by my buddy, and the other was given a commercial supplement. The inorganic couldn't produce full melt hash, so PLEASE I'd love to hear you explain that?
Salts and other compounds refers to what's left, THE REASON PEOPLE FLUSH their plants at the end of a feeding cycle/grow is to remove the dissolved salts left over from feeding. If you don't understand what I was talking about, I don't know how to help you.
"Water, then, is critical to a plants well-being. Too much salt in the soil can inhibit what we call a plant's "osmotic potential"--it's ability to take up water. just as salty food can make a person thirsty, salty soil can dehydrate a plant. Cheap, poor-quality synthetic fertilizers can create salt build-up in the soil that can cause your garden more harm than good.""
Oh no my rating :[, keep lowering it because of your ignorance and frustration. Childish as hell haha. I'll try to repair my e-pride in the mean time  .
I don't grow marijuana, never have, but I know many cultivators that would love to jump on this forum and explain why organic is the only way to fly.
Edited by TheMerryGangster (04/17/10 10:42 AM)
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Organic doesn't mean you yield less , that statement right there proves you have no idea what you're talking about.
You're right, I must have just accidentally grown all that shit in my signature. And I guess my years spent growing myraids of different plants for experimental purposes in the university greenhouse must not count for anything
This shit isn't just a hobby for Koons and I, we have actually taken botany and plant physiology courses and we actually understand HOW this shit works, not just some retarded heresay based on brain-dead stoners 
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I know cultivators that yield 1.5-2 pounds a light with a 100% organic set up
And I know people that yield twice that using synthetics. your point is null
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I don't grow marijuana, never have, but I know many cultivators that would love to jump on this forum and explain why organic is the only way to fly.
Then you need to kindly shut up. If you don't even grow weed then what makes you think you're even remotely qualified to speak of this subject?
So far you haven't explained a SINGLE thing that supports your point. Just saying it doesn't make it true, you need to explain to us WHY what you're saying is true. Until then you're just talking out your ass.
Also, I'd like to refer you to the following thread as another demonstration of how wrong you are;
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/262584#262584
By the way, if you live in california I'll personally guarantee you've smoked weed grown by the man who made that post. Hell, you might even be one of the people who guessed wrong during that test
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Re: This is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!11 [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#403154 - 04/17/10 10:59 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Organic doesn't mean you yield less , that statement right there proves you have no idea what you're talking about.
You're right, I must have just accidentally grown all that shit in my signature. And I guess my years spent growing myraids of different plants for experimental purposes in the university greenhouse must not count for anything
This shit isn't just a hobby for Koons and I, we have actually taken botany and plant physiology courses and we actually understand HOW this shit works, not just some retarded heresay based on brain-dead stoners
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I know cultivators that yield 1.5-2 pounds a light with a 100% organic set up
And I know people that yield twice that using synthetics. your point is null
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I don't grow marijuana, never have, but I know many cultivators that would love to jump on this forum and explain why organic is the only way to fly.
Then you need to kindly shut the fuck up. If you don't even grow weed then what makes you think you're even remotely qualified to speak of this subject?
So far you haven't explained a SINGLE thing that supports your point. Just saying it doesn't make it true, you need to explain to us WHY what you're saying is true. Until then you're just talking out your ass.
Also, I'd like to refer you to the following thread as another demonstration of how wrong you are;
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/262584#262584
By the way, if you live in california I'll personally guarantee you've smoked weed grown by the man who made that post. Hell, you might even be one of the people who guessed wrong during that test
I never claimed I grow weed. The things I'm saying don't need to be backed up with science, they're accepted facts. I just got back from visiting California and I learned a lot from the cultivators I was around. There is just as many supporters of organics as there are of synthetics.
You disagree that molasses makes trichomes swell?
Dissolved salts aren't left behind after a feeding cycle?
This is a matter of opinion and you can find threads like this on forums all over the internet. And just because you know someone that yields twice that with synthetics doesn't mean organics are limited to producing less. There are just as many options with organic nutrients as there are for synths I don't get how you can honestly claim organic is inferior. And you should full well know the arguments against synthetics just as much as anybody else.
Oh and I'm moving to California in a few months, and I guarantee I won't be smoking synthetic buds. I know too many people who have grown organically for decades that absolutely school anything I've ever seen from other sources, especially synthetic grows. I'll read that thread but I can promise you my opinion won't change.
I agree I shouldn't have come across so knowledgeable about growing because I am not a grower, but I am basing these statements on experience.
And you still can't explain why the organic run produces full melt and the synth doesn't.
And I'm sorry but the thread you linked me to is hardly scientific haha. I know I could tell organic soil side by side to hydro synthetic or soil synthetic for a fact. If you want to set up the test I'll gladly participate  .
I think both of you guys need to be more open minded to both sides of the argument, just as I probably do too. Online forums are so funny sometimes.
Edited by TheMerryGangster (04/17/10 11:10 AM)
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Harry_Ba11sach
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The things I'm saying don't need to be backed up with science, they're accepted facts.
Nothing can BE an accepted fact without being supported by science. That's just the way life works, it is a physical impossibility to have a "fact" unless it's been supported by science 
I'm also sorry that you're so closed minded you refuse to accept the possibility that your PLUR hippy feelgood nonsense isn't the paramount nutritional regime. When you're ready to open your mind to alternative possibilities and actually understand how plants physically uptake and utilize nutrients then I'll be waiting here with a giant I told you so. Until then, enjoy your inferior weed
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captain.koons
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Re: This is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!11 [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#403177 - 04/17/10 12:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldn't go so far as to say organic is inferior. I'd just say it's not superior, they may have characteristics unique to organics such as large organic molecules left behind in the plant tissues that attribute a fuller organic taste. I don't see how this can be said to be more desirable to all individuals hence why you can't say it's superior.
It's obvious this guy is just some fan boy who doesn't want to bring any sort of scientific information to the table. Hell he doesn't even grow.
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captain.koons
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Yes, molasses and sugar supplements are easily utilized and benefit many aspects of the growth of marijuana plants, but they also make trichomes swell. I gave you a real life example of trying two different results side by side, one given an organic/natural sugar based blend, which was designed by my buddy, and the other was given a commercial supplement. The inorganic couldn't produce full melt hash, so PLEASE I'd love to hear you explain that?
There's multiple variables to trichome size and production. There's also variables in the process of making hash.
Let's go through some variables.
Epigenetic mutations
exact growth parameters varying between both crops...
-average day and night temperatures can affect trichome production
-humidity
-co2 levels including factors such as the average amount of co2 in the air being brought into the grow area and how fast air is exchanged
-pathogens being introduced to a set of plants
-light intensity, the spectrum of light provided by the bulb
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Salts and other compounds refers to what's left, THE REASON PEOPLE FLUSH their plants at the end of a feeding cycle/grow is to remove the dissolved salts left over from feeding. If you don't understand what I was talking about, I don't know how to help you.
"Water, then, is critical to a plants well-being. Too much salt in the soil can inhibit what we call a plant's "osmotic potential"--it's ability to take up water. just as salty food can make a person thirsty, salty soil can dehydrate a plant. Cheap, poor-quality synthetic fertilizers can create salt build-up in the soil that can cause your garden more harm than good.""
I pointed out that you refer to salts in the wrong sense salts in chemistry and when you think of high sodium are two different things. I'll point out some of the holes in your post. I fully understand the purpose of flushing in a hydroponic situation and salts don't refer to what's left it refers to an ionic compound with a neutral electric charge usually resulting from an acid and a base meeting at equilibrium which is why hydroponic fertilizers usually say derived from "whatever chemical compound such as Calcium Nitrate" now what is left as you like to call it is these ionic compounds left after any given point of a plants metabolism, the plant is then given a week or two of water to utilize these ionic compounds with it's metabolism which is often why plants show multiple deficiencies after a flush in a hydroponics situation. Organically grown crops get an interestingly similar scenario. By no means are organic nutrients utilized by the metabolism of a plant any faster than synthetics (the opposite is actually the case) the organic nutrients left in the plant tissues after the plant is harvested are believed to attribute to the fuller taste.
I can't really comment much on using synthetic fertilizers in soil as I don't use such a combination. Again salts in a chemistry sense doesn't mean sodium so you are speaking utter gibberish when talking about Osmotic potential.
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I think both of you guys need to be more open minded to both sides of the argument, just as I probably do too. Online forums are so funny sometimes.
I'm very open minded, to anything scientific. I'm not going to join your hippy cult of organic worship without a sound reason. I'd also appreciate if you only posted things that are documented or scientific in some sense, not your hippy friend in california smokes crack and happens to grow organically. I'd actually appreciate it if non-growers didn't post testimonials at all because nothing is more retarded than saying my friend does this and told me that so I don't need science because it's fact bullshit.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: This is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!11 [Re: captain.koons]
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I wouldn't go so far as to say organic is inferior. I'd just say it's not superior, they may have characteristics unique to organics such as large organic molecules left behind in the plant tissues that attribute a fuller organic taste. I don't see how this can be said to be more desirable to all individuals hence why you can't say it's superior.
It's obvious this guy is just some fan boy who doesn't want to bring any sort of scientific information to the table. Hell he doesn't even grow.
well right, everyone has their own criteria. For me, taste is third in line to potency and yield, where I've found organics to be lacking in both departments.
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Re: This is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!11 [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
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Hey now, that nearly implies organics give better flavor.
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juke adro
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Organic doesn't mean you yield less , that statement right there proves you have no idea what you're talking about.
You're right, I must have just accidentally grown all that shit in my signature. And I guess my years spent growing myraids of different plants for experimental purposes in the university greenhouse must not count for anything
This shit isn't just a hobby for Koons and I, we have actually taken botany and plant physiology courses and we actually understand HOW this shit works, not just some retarded heresay based on brain-dead stoners
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I know cultivators that yield 1.5-2 pounds a light with a 100% organic set up
And I know people that yield twice that using synthetics. your point is null
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I don't grow marijuana, never have, but I know many cultivators that would love to jump on this forum and explain why organic is the only way to fly.
Then you need to kindly shut the fuck up. If you don't even grow weed then what makes you think you're even remotely qualified to speak of this subject?
So far you haven't explained a SINGLE thing that supports your point. Just saying it doesn't make it true, you need to explain to us WHY what you're saying is true. Until then you're just talking out your ass.
Also, I'd like to refer you to the following thread as another demonstration of how wrong you are;
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/262584#262584
By the way, if you live in california I'll personally guarantee you've smoked weed grown by the man who made that post. Hell, you might even be one of the people who guessed wrong during that test
I never claimed I grow weed. The things I'm saying don't need to be backed up with science, they're accepted facts. I just got back from visiting California and I learned a lot from the cultivators I was around. There is just as many supporters of organics as there are of synthetics.
You disagree that molasses makes trichomes swell?
Dissolved salts aren't left behind after a feeding cycle?
This is a matter of opinion and you can find threads like this on forums all over the internet. And just because you know someone that yields twice that with synthetics doesn't mean organics are limited to producing less. There are just as many options with organic nutrients as there are for synths I don't get how you can honestly claim organic is inferior. And you should full well know the arguments against synthetics just as much as anybody else.
Oh and I'm moving to California in a few months, and I guarantee I won't be smoking synthetic buds. I know too many people who have grown organically for decades that absolutely school anything I've ever seen from other sources, especially synthetic grows. I'll read that thread but I can promise you my opinion won't change.
I agree I shouldn't have come across so knowledgeable about growing because I am not a grower, but I am basing these statements on experience.
And you still can't explain why the organic run produces full melt and the synth doesn't.
And I'm sorry but the thread you linked me to is hardly scientific haha. I know I could tell organic soil side by side to hydro synthetic or soil synthetic for a fact. If you want to set up the test I'll gladly participate .
I think both of you guys need to be more open minded to both sides of the argument, just as I probably do too. Online forums are so funny sometimes.
I better not get banned for saying this but SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET THE FUCK OUT, GO AND TEAM UP WITH BUDDY GUY, ANOTHER KNOW IT ALL WHO LOVES PASTA.
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Re: This is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!11 [Re: juke adro]
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Organic doesn't mean you yield less , that statement right there proves you have no idea what you're talking about.
You're right, I must have just accidentally grown all that shit in my signature. And I guess my years spent growing myraids of different plants for experimental purposes in the university greenhouse must not count for anything
This shit isn't just a hobby for Koons and I, we have actually taken botany and plant physiology courses and we actually understand HOW this shit works, not just some retarded heresay based on brain-dead stoners
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I know cultivators that yield 1.5-2 pounds a light with a 100% organic set up
And I know people that yield twice that using synthetics. your point is null
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I don't grow marijuana, never have, but I know many cultivators that would love to jump on this forum and explain why organic is the only way to fly.
Then you need to kindly shut the fuck up. If you don't even grow weed then what makes you think you're even remotely qualified to speak of this subject?
So far you haven't explained a SINGLE thing that supports your point. Just saying it doesn't make it true, you need to explain to us WHY what you're saying is true. Until then you're just talking out your ass.
Also, I'd like to refer you to the following thread as another demonstration of how wrong you are;
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/262584#262584
By the way, if you live in california I'll personally guarantee you've smoked weed grown by the man who made that post. Hell, you might even be one of the people who guessed wrong during that test
I never claimed I grow weed. The things I'm saying don't need to be backed up with science, they're accepted facts. I just got back from visiting California and I learned a lot from the cultivators I was around. There is just as many supporters of organics as there are of synthetics.
You disagree that molasses makes trichomes swell?
Dissolved salts aren't left behind after a feeding cycle?
This is a matter of opinion and you can find threads like this on forums all over the internet. And just because you know someone that yields twice that with synthetics doesn't mean organics are limited to producing less. There are just as many options with organic nutrients as there are for synths I don't get how you can honestly claim organic is inferior. And you should full well know the arguments against synthetics just as much as anybody else.
Oh and I'm moving to California in a few months, and I guarantee I won't be smoking synthetic buds. I know too many people who have grown organically for decades that absolutely school anything I've ever seen from other sources, especially synthetic grows. I'll read that thread but I can promise you my opinion won't change.
I agree I shouldn't have come across so knowledgeable about growing because I am not a grower, but I am basing these statements on experience.
And you still can't explain why the organic run produces full melt and the synth doesn't.
And I'm sorry but the thread you linked me to is hardly scientific haha. I know I could tell organic soil side by side to hydro synthetic or soil synthetic for a fact. If you want to set up the test I'll gladly participate .
I think both of you guys need to be more open minded to both sides of the argument, just as I probably do too. Online forums are so funny sometimes.
I better not get banned for saying this but SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET THE FUCK OUT, GO AND TEAM UP WITH BUDDY GUY, ANOTHER KNOW IT ALL WHO LOVES PASTA.
Stop trying to act hard on the internet, you're pure scum. You obviously have proven you don't know anything period , so follow your own advice.
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