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I've made BHO that good...I have some right now. It's all about the quality of trim you're working with, whether or not its organic, quality of the bud that the trim originated from, can't be any powdery mildew or other things of that nature. Obviously using buds would produce better oil but the Blue Dream trim was so good that I ended up with oil that good.

First pull my oil (using Vector*) fell into the pan and it was completely clear, no color to it, I thought I something was wrong and was pissed until a razor blade revealed completely clear amber oil as soon as I started scraping. Shit's potent! As mentioned above, as you might imagine it has very little smell...until you burn it :].

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I wish people would stop pushing misinformation like that.  Organic is just a label to put a higher price on a product/make people feel better about themselves.  You can grow a shitty crop of bud just as easily with organic ferts as you can with chemical.  Likewise, you can produce buds/hash of better or equal quality using chemcial ferts properly as well as organics.

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Hahahaha.

Adding synthetic molasses/sugar based supplements to your plants produces sugar crystals in addition to true trichome formation, and can be the difference between true full melt or not when it comes to bubble hash, and most certainly makes a different in the potency per volume and quality of the oil you extract. Organic is always better, that's not misinformation. If you think otherwise you obviously don't know what you're talking about when it comes to cultivating marijuana and that's a fact. Synthetic = shit, I know plenty of cultivators in North Cali that would school synthetic grow ops both in results and quality and don't doubt it.

I just smoked buds from two different grows of Blue Dream, one synthetic and one organic run (one commercial and one personal). Same genetics, same growing conditions... The difference is clear as day; only the organic produces true full melt hash (tried both side by side same micron screen from the bag set), and in comparison of the smoke, well there is no comparison. You can't flush all the traces of the salts and other nutrients from synthetic ferts out of the plant as efficiently - it's harsh, tastes way inferior, and burns unnaturally. As if this weren't enough proof, the organic was even fed an ORGANIC molasses supplement but still yielded these better results.

In no way did I imply that organic automatically or inherently means the final product is going to be high grade or properly grown marijuana. But It's a no brainer: properly grown organic bud > properly grown synthetic bud, period.

Also before you take the know-it-all approach you might want to actually read what people post. I made it pretty clear that the quality of the bud/plant material your using is an important factor in addition to the other ones I said.

There is a reason clubs pay more for organic medicine.

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Organic is always better, that's not misinformation. If you think otherwise you obviously don't know what you're talking about when it comes to cultivating marijuana and that's a fact. Synthetic = shit

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The clubs pay more for organic medicine because plants grown organically grow slower and yield less. Therefore the farmers who grew it charge more per unit weight to cover their operating costs at a similar profit margin.  As for why it grows slower and yields less, you'll unlock the secret to that when you finish reading on what nutrients actually are and how they interact with soil microfauna within the rhizosphere.

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This is honestly hilarious, I'd like to see you make this argument to anyone in California who knows what they're talking about. The only ones riding the fail boat is you guys if you honestly think organic is inferior or synthetics can produce better results.

Organic doesn't mean you yield less , that statement right there proves you have no idea what you're talking about. I know cultivators that yield 1.5-2 pounds a light with a 100% organic set up. And it makes it grow slower...are you just talking out of your ass? I don't even need to address this. Clubs pay more because the medicine they sell should be flushed of dissolved salts and any traces of unnatural compounds used which feeding the bud. You cannot effectively remove as many of these dissolved salts when using synthetics. Once again, this is common knowledge among cultivators. Many clubs are starting to do actual testing on buds before they purchase it, they want organic!


"Your first sentence of molasses causing the production of sugar crystals is laughable. The molasses is a source of sugar which is easily utilized by the plants metabolism, an assortment of vitamins(specifically B vitamins), and trace minerals essential to plant health. I wish I could smash your reasoning but I don't even know what you're trying to say in most of your post mostly because you lack any sort of actual scientific foundation."

Yes, molasses and sugar supplements are easily utilized and benefit many aspects of the growth of marijuana plants, but they also make trichomes swell. I gave you a real life example of trying two different results side by side, one given an organic/natural sugar based blend, which was designed by my buddy, and the other was given a commercial supplement. The inorganic couldn't produce full melt hash, so PLEASE I'd love to hear you explain that?

Salts and other compounds refers to what's left, THE REASON PEOPLE FLUSH their plants at the end of a feeding cycle/grow is to remove the dissolved salts left over from feeding. If you don't understand what I was talking about, I don't know how to help you.

"Water, then, is critical to a plants well-being. Too much salt in the soil can inhibit what we call a plant's "osmotic potential"--it's ability to take up water. just as salty food can make a person thirsty, salty soil can dehydrate a plant. Cheap, poor-quality synthetic fertilizers can create salt build-up in the soil that can cause your garden more harm than good.""


Oh no my rating :[, keep lowering it because of your ignorance and frustration. Childish as hell haha. I'll try to repair my e-pride in the mean time  .

I don't grow marijuana, never have, but I know many cultivators that would love to jump on this forum and explain why organic is the only way to fly.

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I know cultivators that yield 1.5-2 pounds a light with a 100% organic set up

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I don't grow marijuana, never have, but I know many cultivators that would love to jump on this forum and explain why organic is the only way to fly.

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Then you need to kindly shut the fuck up. If you don't even grow weed then what makes you think you're even remotely qualified to speak of this subject?

So far you haven't explained a SINGLE thing that supports your point. Just saying it doesn't make it true, you need to explain to us WHY what you're saying is true. Until then you're just talking out your ass.

Also, I'd like to refer you to the following thread as another demonstration of how wrong you are;

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/262584#262584


By the way, if you live in california I'll personally guarantee you've smoked weed grown by the man who made that post. Hell, you might even be one of the people who guessed wrong during that test

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I never claimed I grow weed. The things I'm saying don't need to be backed up with science, they're accepted facts. I just got back from visiting California and I learned a lot from the cultivators I was around. There is just as many supporters of organics as there are of synthetics.

You disagree that molasses makes trichomes swell?
Dissolved salts aren't left behind after a feeding cycle?

This is a matter of opinion and you can find threads like this on forums all over the internet. And just because you know someone that yields twice that with synthetics doesn't mean organics are limited to producing less. There are just as many options with organic nutrients as there are for synths I don't get how you can honestly claim organic is inferior. And you should full well know the arguments against synthetics just as much as anybody else.

Oh and I'm moving to California in a few months, and I guarantee I won't be smoking synthetic buds. I know too many people who have grown organically for decades that absolutely school anything I've ever seen from other sources, especially synthetic grows. I'll read that thread but I can promise you my opinion won't change.

I agree I shouldn't have come across so knowledgeable about growing because I am not a grower, but I am basing these statements on experience.

And you still can't explain why the organic run produces full melt and the synth doesn't.

And I'm sorry but the thread you linked me to is hardly scientific haha. I know I could tell organic soil side by side to hydro synthetic or soil synthetic for a fact. If you want to set up the test I'll gladly participate .

I think both of you guys need to be more open minded to both sides of the argument, just as I probably do too. Online forums are so funny sometimes.

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Nothing can BE an accepted fact without being supported by science. That's just the way life works, it is a physical impossibility to have a "fact" unless it's been supported by science

I'm also sorry that you're so closed minded you refuse to accept the possibility that your PLUR hippy feelgood nonsense isn't the paramount nutritional regime. When you're ready to open your mind to alternative possibilities and actually understand how plants physically uptake and utilize nutrients then I'll be waiting here with a giant I told you so. Until then, enjoy your inferior weed

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Yes, molasses and sugar supplements are easily utilized and benefit many aspects of the growth of marijuana plants, but they also make trichomes swell. I gave you a real life example of trying two different results side by side, one given an organic/natural sugar based blend, which was designed by my buddy, and the other was given a commercial supplement. The inorganic couldn't produce full melt hash, so PLEASE I'd love to hear you explain that?

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Salts and other compounds refers to what's left, THE REASON PEOPLE FLUSH their plants at the end of a feeding cycle/grow is to remove the dissolved salts left over from feeding. If you don't understand what I was talking about, I don't know how to help you.

"Water, then, is critical to a plants well-being. Too much salt in the soil can inhibit what we call a plant's "osmotic potential"--it's ability to take up water. just as salty food can make a person thirsty, salty soil can dehydrate a plant. Cheap, poor-quality synthetic fertilizers can create salt build-up in the soil that can cause your garden more harm than good.""

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I don't grow marijuana, never have, but I know many cultivators that would love to jump on this forum and explain why organic is the only way to fly.

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So far you haven't explained a SINGLE thing that supports your point. Just saying it doesn't make it true, you need to explain to us WHY what you're saying is true. Until then you're just talking out your ass.

Also, I'd like to refer you to the following thread as another demonstration of how wrong you are;

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/262584#262584


By the way, if you live in california I'll personally guarantee you've smoked weed grown by the man who made that post. Hell, you might even be one of the people who guessed wrong during that test

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I never claimed I grow weed. The things I'm saying don't need to be backed up with science, they're accepted facts. I just got back from visiting California and I learned a lot from the cultivators I was around. There is just as many supporters of organics as there are of synthetics.

You disagree that molasses makes trichomes swell?
Dissolved salts aren't left behind after a feeding cycle?

This is a matter of opinion and you can find threads like this on forums all over the internet. And just because you know someone that yields twice that with synthetics doesn't mean organics are limited to producing less. There are just as many options with organic nutrients as there are for synths I don't get how you can honestly claim organic is inferior. And you should full well know the arguments against synthetics just as much as anybody else.

Oh and I'm moving to California in a few months, and I guarantee I won't be smoking synthetic buds. I know too many people who have grown organically for decades that absolutely school anything I've ever seen from other sources, especially synthetic grows. I'll read that thread but I can promise you my opinion won't change.

I agree I shouldn't have come across so knowledgeable about growing because I am not a grower, but I am basing these statements on experience.

And you still can't explain why the organic run produces full melt and the synth doesn't.

And I'm sorry but the thread you linked me to is hardly scientific haha. I know I could tell organic soil side by side to hydro synthetic or soil synthetic for a fact. If you want to set up the test I'll gladly participate .

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So far you haven't explained a SINGLE thing that supports your point. Just saying it doesn't make it true, you need to explain to us WHY what you're saying is true. Until then you're just talking out your ass.

Also, I'd like to refer you to the following thread as another demonstration of how wrong you are;

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/262584#262584


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I never claimed I grow weed. The things I'm saying don't need to be backed up with science, they're accepted facts. I just got back from visiting California and I learned a lot from the cultivators I was around. There is just as many supporters of organics as there are of synthetics.

You disagree that molasses makes trichomes swell?
Dissolved salts aren't left behind after a feeding cycle?

This is a matter of opinion and you can find threads like this on forums all over the internet. And just because you know someone that yields twice that with synthetics doesn't mean organics are limited to producing less. There are just as many options with organic nutrients as there are for synths I don't get how you can honestly claim organic is inferior. And you should full well know the arguments against synthetics just as much as anybody else.

Oh and I'm moving to California in a few months, and I guarantee I won't be smoking synthetic buds. I know too many people who have grown organically for decades that absolutely school anything I've ever seen from other sources, especially synthetic grows. I'll read that thread but I can promise you my opinion won't change.

I agree I shouldn't have come across so knowledgeable about growing because I am not a grower, but I am basing these statements on experience.

And you still can't explain why the organic run produces full melt and the synth doesn't.

And I'm sorry but the thread you linked me to is hardly scientific haha. I know I could tell organic soil side by side to hydro synthetic or soil synthetic for a fact. If you want to set up the test I'll gladly participate .

I think both of you guys need to be more open minded to both sides of the argument, just as I probably do too. Online forums are so funny sometimes.

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So I've been doing mini-runs with a little stainless steel turkey baster I got at the home goods store, the BHO itself I'm yielding is amazing and it's a decent yield considering the whole thing only fits about 5 grams of material.

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The guy who produced that hash above grows using "inorganic" ferts.  I'd put a lot of money on the fact that that stuff would blow the shit you find in any med club out of the water.  Oh wait, that shits probably SOLD in med clubs already and most likely blows the other shit they sell out of the water.

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The guy who produced that hash above grows using "inorganic" fertilizers.  I'd put a lot of money on the fact that that stuff would blow the shit you find in any med club out of the water.  Oh wait, that shits probably SOLD in med clubs already and most likely blows the other shit they sell out of the water.

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Wow you guys are hopeless.

I said my comments about dissolved salts and trace chemical compounds being left behind from synthetic ferts and molasses causing trichomes to swell didn't need to be backed up with science because they're accepted facts, MEANING look up the information yourself and you'll find it has plenty of scientific documentation. I honestly couldn't care less what you think. Keep smoking synthetic buds haha, I'll stick to the "inferior" organics all day long.

@jukeadro
That turkey baster yielded about .5 a run, plenty to judge the quality of oil with you moron. I was doing seperate full-melt runs on a large scale with both the synthetic and organic trim, once again SAME conditions for growing, SAME genetics. Just GTFO . And stop trying to excuse your complete lack of a knowledgeable comment or anything of value to input on this thread. It's just that, and there's now way around it. You fail in life, and you fail on this forum if that's how you react to situations.

You've made so many assumptions in one thread it's hilarious, I'm talking to cultivators that live and breathe growing not brain dead hippys you ignorant fuck. Take the stick out of your ass and open your mind for once.

@coda
All of your posts are filled with bias. You have just as many holes in your argument you hypocrite. "Most likely clubs blows the other shit out of the water...". You think anyone takes that seriously? The Blue Dream I'm talking about sold for as high as 38 to the clubs, because it was organic and the full melt hash was sold for 15/gram all the way up in Sacramento. It was the #1 seller on the menu at two different clubs. Unbelievable.

I know what I'm fucking talking about, I didn't make these experiences up. And still none of you can explain why the synthetic run didn't produce full melt. You have offered NOTHING of value, but have proven nothing but the fact that you're incredibly close-minded and completely biased in every way on the subject.

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Oh you're referring to when you said something about "sugar crystals?"

There's documentation on each subject but accepted scientific fact no. Hippy faggot fact, sure. Comparing macros taken with the same camera settings of Neville's Haze grown in organic hydro, organic soil, and hydroponics there's no difference in the trichome size. The full melt in both cases was also the 25u bag. I really don't know why you're such a fan boy nearly every strain full melts it's just that some strains won't clear dome. Trichome size is limited by the genetics they serve a purpose as an extension of the epidermis which is made of fragile parenchyma cells (for the most part) they don't have the structure or rigidness of other plant structures to become large. Seed calyx trichomes are nearly atomically identical to root hairs which are also parenchyma and are meant to be sloughed off continually. To be frank there's no much room on most weed for the trichomes to swell as they're so tightly arranged, they would compromise they're function.

Tell me how much bigger could these trichomes get given their arrangement?



I've also addressed your so called fact of "trace chemical compounds" not being flushed out of the plant tissues. Heavily refined hydroponic nutrients in fact flush out whereas organic nutrients don't because they're much larger molecules which aren't directly utilized by the plants metabolism which are left behind after harvest. This can also explain higher brynx levels in organic crops.

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