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DungenessDank said:
There is nothing for americans to be happy about with this thing.
Hooray for the bill. It's big news over here as well. We Europeans find your politics very interesting for some reason.  Something to talk about in between stones I guess. 
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 Re: BAM HEALTHCARE  [Re: Triptonic]
#388596 - 03/23/10 02:20 AM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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To triptonic and all the other people that don't necessarily support the bill passing. Why are you guys so worried? This has been in place in Europe for over 50 years. This is a good thing.
It's kinda backwards to not have a mandatory socialized health care system.
How can you complain about it being mandatory? It's a safety thing. It's kind of like how it's mandatory to buy insurance for your car.
Do you know what it's like to be a father and husband, and then suddenly you get hurt at work and can't work anymore? You can't get any medical help either because you can't afford health insurance. I find that really backwards. That's what it's like in Africa and Asia. Why do you guys want to be like the rest of the third world?
That shit is also bad for the economy and for the government anyway, because then you have unemployed people on unemployment benefits or on some other kind of government help program. Sometimes those folks go homeless, and then that's more money and more paper work and it's just fucking sad too.
The point of this bill is so that this kind of shit doesn't happen.
With all these complaints lately about "where the money is going" this should seem like a step in the right direction. At least you guys are going to see money being spent on the home front rather than on Iraq and Afghanistan.
I really think this is a good thing, and I think you guys are going to actually bounce back economically with this bill. There are huge benefits to this bill that I think some of you are over looking. This kind of system works, and has for a very long time in Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, France, you name it.
In my opinion, it should be a human right to be able to seek out medical assistance if you need it. No matter how much money you have in your bank account.
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Re: BAM HEALTHCARE [Re: Triptonic]
#388604 - 03/23/10 02:42 AM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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Triptonic said:
I never said I didnt support it, it just seems like a waste of money right now. How about him trying to find jobs for the millions of people out of work right now. Then worry about healthcare. I think he just hasnt thought it out quite enough.
You can't find work for people who can't work because they're injured/sick and can't afford medical bills trip. That's what it's about. This bill is going to give your country a standing and reliable work force.
Plus just enacting this bill is going to open a multitude of jobs in the government and in health care!
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Re: BAM HEALTHCARE [Re: Tangerines]
#388690 - 03/23/10 11:31 AM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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DieselB said:
Europe is doing so great, huh? Why? because they have better pot laws? Their healthcare sucks, you tell me whats better when it comes to ANYTHING, the free version or the pay version.. Remember, "You get what you pay for"?
Do you have evidence to support this statement?
I have lived in 5 different countries here in Europe and am currently on government health care and I seriously question what you just said. Do you even own a passport?
Your logic is completely flawed in my eyes anyway. You ask what's better, the pay version or the free version. I ask you this. What's better: something or nothing at all.
Your ignoring the point behind this bill because people like you have to dish out more cash. Cry me a river. This bill is meant to provide healthcare for those who can't afford it. Plain and simple.
If you want better, go spend more money.
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Tangerines said:
So my Grandfather is going to have to pay more money for medicaid and now some doctors won't be accepting medicaid because they will be getting paid less. How is that fair? He pays more for less. That is fucked up in my eyes.
Sure. There are people on various already existing healthcare. Sure there are people that are in great health and shouldn't be forced to pay for health care if they don't want to. Of course it sucks for those people, but unfortunately this bill is for the greater majority and future generations of your country men. This bill will make 15 million Americans eligible for health care. That's not a good thing?
I'm sorry to say this but your grandfather is not a special unique person. There are other people with needs far greater than him and that have no money. This bill is for those people. Remind yourself that your grandfather will survive this "horrible tragedy" as will many other people including yourself. This I'm sure of.
It will no doubt be a difficult transition, but quite honestly, universal mandatory healthcare is a human right that your government is denying your citizens. Plain and simple. If you guys plan to keep "promoting and preserving freedom" around the world, perhaps it's best you shape up on the home front a little.
I think you have a very biased opinion, because someone you are closely related to is getting the short end of the stick with this bill. The fact is there are almost 400 million Americans that share the same country as you.
Also, any doctor that denies government health care because it's not enough for his pockets is no better than a drug dealer quite honestly. Evidently the doctors your grandfather is seeing are those greedy over prescribers I read about everyday. I hope this bill leads your grandfather to more honest doctors who are interested in helping people and not money.
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Re: BAM HEALTHCARE [Re: Tangerines]
#388698 - 03/23/10 11:54 AM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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Tangerines said:
So now if my grandfather cannot afford the increase he is just SOL? Fuck you man. It's not like he is rich or anything. Just a poor old man who now won't be able to afford his own health care because he has to pay for others.
Unfortunately this is what most of us actually call fair. He's always going to have health care now.
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Tangerines said:The government is going to make it ILLEGAL to not have health insurance. That is fucking unconstitutional. They cannot make anyone get health care. Fuck that.
Why should people have to pay for other peoples health? Health should be a family issue the government should not be getting involved. Why should people have to pay for crackhead suzie and her 5 illegitimate babies?
Yes they can, and that's how it should be. No matter who you are, you should have the right to seek medical help. This bill ensures everyone has help if they need it, and that everyone is contributing their fair share to make that a reality.
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Tangerines said:This is just going to increase taxes to pay for this shit. Our country was pretty much FOUNDED because we disliked heavy taxes. 
Actually, I don't mean to be an asshole here, but I believe it was because your country was being taxed WITHOUT REPRESENTATION by a tyrannical foreign entity. 
It will increase taxes, but it's for a good cause. Don't you care about anyone else other than you and your immediate circle of family and friends?
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Tangerines said:It's like BO thinks we can just pull money out of our asses.
If I work hard for my money why should I have to give it away to help people that don't work for their money?
Because some people can't work at all because they're injured or sick and can't pay for the medical bills. Some people are severely mentally or physically handicapped and cannot work at all - that's the problem.
Try and understand. I sympathize for your grandfather and I know it must be hard financially, but quite honestly I can't really shed a tear for your grandfather when there are people who are completely helpless and in need. It's just not fair.
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Re: BAM HEALTHCARE [Re: Tangerines]
#388712 - 03/23/10 12:21 PM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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Tangerines said:
Yes I only care about my direct circle of people. My clan if you will. That is how it should be I do not need the government to be breathing down my neck. I will take care of my own. If people cannot take care of their own then they should fade away. Survival of the fittest should apply to humans as well.
And it is unconstitutional to force people to have health insurance. If I do not want health insurance I should not be forced to have it. That is fucked up man.
I do not believe health care should be a social issue. Why do I care if someone I don't know can afford health care? I'm not going to lie, I don't care about people I don't know. I don't have time to worry about every American. I would rather spend my time and money on my family. Family comes first. If someone in my family had a terrible disease my family would band together to get them help Close knit families FTW.
So what do orphans do? What do people without families do? Displaced refugees? Oh right... you don't care about people. I guess if your born lucky that just gives you the right to give everyone else the finger. Take all you can for yourself and burn all in your path. America... fuck yeah. Alright. Suit yourself.
To reiterate the point the niteowl made. This is just like saying "it's unconstitutional for the government to force your kids to go to school." This is just like saying, "if someone can't afford education for their children, then too bad." This is just like saying, "why should I have to pay for someone elses kids to go to school."
Once again, here is the answer: Just like healthcare, access to education is a human right.
I guess there is just nothing more to be said.
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Tangerines said:Yea, I'm an asshole.
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Re: BAM HEALTHCARE [Re: Tangerines]
#388725 - 03/23/10 12:47 PM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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Tangerines said:
Since when is health care and education a human right? It's a privilege. We shouldn't forget that. Thinking otherwise is taking things for granted.
No it's a right. Everyone should have access to education. Just like everyone should have access to food and clean water. A child born in Nigeria should have the same chances that a child born in America has.
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Tangerines said:What's next? Is driving a car a right? "No child left behind" we should give them all cars.
A car is not necessary to sustain life. Education, access to medical aid, food and clean water all are.
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Tangerines said:We can't save everyone and we should not want to save everyone.
Nope you definitely can't save EVERYONE. This isn't about saving people, it's about giving the helpless and severely poor a chance.
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Tangerines said:And just to clarify I did not grow up in a rich household. Just an average American household.
What does this have to do with anything? Your still extremely lucky and wealthy in my perspective. Your incredibly lucky at least compared to me.
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Tangerines said:
America is not "every other western country"... why do we have to play follow the leader?
Your country is not playing follow the leader. There are apparently a large number of people in your government that would like to see the United States become a civilized country.
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Re: BAM HEALTHCARE [Re: Tangerines]
#388731 - 03/23/10 01:03 PM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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Tangerines said:
The only reason I seem wealthy is because my people worked their asses off to get to where we are. If people would actually put forth some effort and work to the bone they could afford the nice things in life.
You have a very distorted and simple way of looking at things. Try and understand, some people cannot even work. I've said this several times before. Some people are incapable of working because of injury, sickness, condition, etc.
Go tell the laid off factory worker, "you know, if you actually would have put some effort into your work, you could afford health care."
Go tell the financially independent college student "you know, if you actually worked harder you could afford health care."
Go tell the quadriplegic veteran that if he "put some more back into it, he could afford some new prosthetic arms!"
Go tell the child born in Mogadishu "ya know, if you work hard you can afford nice things! Like me!"
I really don't know what to say to you anymore. It seems that your beliefs are quite radical.
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Tangerines said:Also, education is not needed to sustain life.
Try getting a job when you can't read or write. To sustain ones own life in the Western world, one needs an education to work. This is fact.
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Tangerines said:People do not have the right to take my money for their own use. That is what it comes down to for me. I have to foot the bill for people that I do not even know. I'd rather save the money and use it for when my family needs it. But no I can't do that anymore.
If you went to public school, you mooched off someone else too. Sorry buddy, but you've benefited from the same kind of system. Stop pretending you've worked for everything you have and you've earned everything you've gotten.
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Tangerines said:
I don't want anyone to pay for my health care though. I'll still go the private route.
If you can afford that then you are evidently a very privileged person and shouldn't even be debating this.
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Re: BAM HEALTHCARE [Re: Tangerines]
#388748 - 03/23/10 01:22 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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Tangerines said:Also, I was home schooled
It is clear your homeschooling was poor.
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Tangerines said:
Go tell the laid off factory worker, "you know, if you actually would have put some effort into your work, you could afford health care."
Hey you are probably getting unemployment payments. That should hold you off until you find another job.
Unemployment runs out and doesn't cover health insurance.
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Tangerines said:Hey college friend. Good thing that in order to even attend this college we must have health insurance.
Nail on the head buddy! Good job!
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Tangerines said:Hey thanks for your service. Good thing our country takes care of vets and give them money for the rest of their lives if need be. The government will buy you your plastic arm no doubt about that.
http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm Please read this. It's sad that a European has to help an American understand what's happening in his country.
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In addition to the complex set of factors influencing all homelessness – extreme shortage of affordable housing, livable income and access to health care – a large number of displaced and at-risk veterans live with lingering effects of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and substance abuse, which are compounded by a lack of family and social support networks.
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Tangerines said: Hey child. Don't work because I do not condone child labor like Spency does.
I didn't say that. Plus you wouldn't care anyway would you?
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Tangerines said:I took loans out in order to pay for it. When I graduate I will get a job and pay the loans off.
This has nothing to do with anything.
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Tangerines said:Sorry I have no sympathy. Sure the new health care will help out some people that actually need it, but like Welfare the majority of people will abuse the shit out of it.
Please explain? How can you abuse your health care if your paying the taxes for it?
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Tangerines said:Lazy people come to mind.
Like nice rich people like you.
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Tangerines said:
You can see anything through the internet.
Ignorance is incredible.
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Re: BAM HEALTHCARE [Re: Tangerines]
#388755 - 03/23/10 01:34 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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Tangerines said:Nice edit.
Here is what Spency wrote...last line of his post.
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Like nice rich people like you.
Umm.... it's still there buddy... just scroll up a bit.
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Tangerines said:
How am I rich? I am far from rich you judgemental prick. Just because I do not want socialized health care does not mean I am rich.
If you plan to pay for private health insurance I'd say your better off than about 90% of the world. Why are you getting so upset over this anyway.
Lol, your telling me my arguments are stupid when you attempt to mock me with such quotes as "Beer is a human right." Wow man, your mind blowing. Homeschooling did not help at all!
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Tangerines said:I know plenty of vets who get everything paid for them. EVERYTHING.
This is what's wrong with your logic. You go only by what you see. In reality things are different. Please read.
I see you still haven't read that article... *sigh* here you go again. From that same website I posted.
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Veteran-specific highlights from the USICH report include:
23% of the homeless population are veterans
33% of the male homeless population are veterans
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Tangerines said:
Good post. Glad you could contribute your absolute worthlessness to this thread.
Are you talking to FB or me?
In any case, I can see your upset and I apologies for this. I didn't mean to make you angry or offend you, I'm just voicing my opinion on the matter.
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Re: BAM HEALTHCARE [Re: Tangerines]
#388762 - 03/23/10 01:43 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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Tangerines said:
The beer thing was a joke dude. If you are taking the internet that seriously where you believe every word then you probably need to utilize that social medicine and check yourself in to a psych ward.
Oh no don't get me wrong, I don't. It was obviously a pun at me but the joke made you look like a bit of a tool imo.
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Tangerines said:Those stats are lame man.
Who are you exactly?
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Tangerines said:If they are even reliable, most of them are homeless because they choose to ignore help. There are plenty of ways to get help if they wanted it.
Alright here you go again...
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In addition to the complex set of factors influencing all homelessness – extreme shortage of affordable housing, livable income and access to health care – a large number of displaced and at-risk veterans live with lingering effects of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and substance abuse, which are compounded by a lack of family and social support networks.
http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm
It's a big lie by the government right?
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Tangerines said:
I'm far from upset. If you think I get upset over the internet you are sadly mistaken. You on the otherhand obviously are pretty upset judging by the rating you keep editing for me. 
It's funny.
Wow I apologized to you man, what's wrong with you.
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Tangerines said:You on the otherhand obviously are pretty upset judging by the rating you keep editing for me.
It's funny.
Oh no not at all, you are very sadly mistaken - this has been a laughing fit to say the least!
In any case, I've come to learn that there is someone who will disagree with me no matter what. Even if it defies all logic.
I can't see how you weren't upset considering you gave me a bad rating over a health care reform debate. 
I originally gave you a 5 for your rating. So I guess initially I couldn't have been that upset. The other two edits haaad to go in though. No one should miss either of those two quotes.
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Re: BAM HEALTHCARE [Re: Tangerines]
#388767 - 03/23/10 01:57 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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Tangerines said:
yea just because someone disagrees with you means they have no logic.
I made a general statement. Please don't twist my words.
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Tangerines said:The bottom line is I do not want to foot the bill for other people. I'd rather save the money myself and use it for my family. I guess that is too much to ask for.
No it's not and your totally entitled to your opinion and your beliefs. But lol jesus christ man, take a chillpill next time.
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Tangerines said:I gave you a bad rating because you did not have any bad ratings.
lol, uh-huh. Keep talking. 
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Re: BAM HEALTHCARE [Re: Tangerines]
#388772 - 03/23/10 02:01 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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Tangerines said:
You have no room to tell me to take a chill pill haha we both went on tangents for no reason.
Wow man.
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FurrowedBrow said:
Forgive me i haven't read all the preceding dribble but does no one else feel that healthcare is a fundamental of a human right as is the right to control what we put in our body?
Welcome to the club. I was arguing this for about 3 pages the other day.
Tang so far is the only one around here as far as I know that doesn't.
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DungenessDank said:
He's European so he's better than us lowly Americans. We don't know whats good for us, so we should listen and do whatever our government tells us.
DieselB wasn't talking to me. Nice trolling.
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Just because I don't agree with everyone I'm a troll. Makes sense to me.
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