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 Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) 
#364842 - 02/15/10 05:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey I'm new here could you help me out.
I'm planing on growing one plant at a time
at the moment i have a frame set up with mirror's mounted inwards basically a box made of mirrors .
it is 2ft x 2ft and is 6 foot high and is solid
i have a fan built in the top sucking the air out and a hole at the bottom letting air flow in.
i was just wondering what type of lighting i would need
iv done allot of reading around and found that i should have a "red" and a "blue" spec bulb and have both of them on for 24 hours until flowering when i should turn the blue of and cut the light to 12 hours is this right and should i get these bulbs
45w Blue Spectrum 6400k CFL grow light
45w Red Spectrum 2700k CFL grow lamp bulb
They are the energy saving ones by the way.
this is my first grow so i don't want to go over board and get loads of equipment straight away ,after my first grow i will invest more into the secound grow if you no what i mean
many thanks in advanced all tip welcome.
Rob
Edited by newbie-grower (02/15/10 05:18 PM)
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 Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: newbie-grower]
#364856 - 02/15/10 05:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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The 6500k(Blue) will be used for the 24hr period. the other 2700k(Red) is used for flowering and will need to be on a 12/12 light cycle to initiate flowering.
Mirrors aren't nearly as efficent at reflecting light as you would think, Mylar or white paint would serve you better.
The best advice I can give you is to consider each aspect of the grow and search a few different words for each.. As in: Lights, Nutrients, Growing medium, Growing method, Odor control etc. Take your time, read the threads, establish who is speaking from experience and listen to them.
There is a wealth of information on this forum and if you take the time to go over it, pay attention, you'll find that everything you need to know is already here and you can save yourself time in not waiting for people to respond.
I am confident in saying that damn near anyone who gets on this site and does their homework can pull of a succesful grow.
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: newbie-grower]
#364863 - 02/15/10 06:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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shove like 6-8 85w cfls in there
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: Ben18]
#365001 - 02/15/10 10:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok i now have a set up with one miror and the rest painted white i have a fan in the top sucking the air out like the previous ill upload some pictures soon but now i only have a 1.2ft x 1.3ft space i only want one plant so this should be surfishant space.
what is the total watts i would need for this area and if a bulb says 45w equal to 225w what would i get the measure from 225 or 45
having trouble geting the photos up but ill try again later or tomorow
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: newbie-grower]
#365012 - 02/15/10 10:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm not sure I've ever seen 45 watt CFLs, however as many of those as you can fit in your grow area and still keep temperatures reasonable would be best. I'd suggest going for 4 of those, perhaps 2 of each spectrum, and use all 4 at all times. Remember those bulbs need to be within 2-3 inches of your plants to be effective. The closer they are, the better.
You didn't mention whether or not the height change when you revised your setup, however 6' is more than you'll need for a single CFL grow. You could reasonably divide that height into two separate chambers and have a veg/clone/mother chamber and a flowering chamber, but keeping the lighting separate will present some challenges.
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: Ojom]
#365023 - 02/15/10 11:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey thanks for the tips im righting them down for later refrence
this is the light i was thinking about getting
here
and i was just wundering would i be able to get a relativly good first grow with one of each blue and red
and if i did would u say its best to have them on together then just the red in flowering or to have the blue then the red
thanks in advanced
here are my pics now btw
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: newbie-grower]
#365068 - 02/16/10 02:46 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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dont worry about the light color temps worry about getting alot of light on them. put both in there get a good balance, and maybe even a couple more!
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: the man]
#365076 - 02/16/10 04:55 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey going by the post above i think im going to use 1 blue spec light with is equal to 225w and 3-4 standard cfl's with are 40w each
so in total I would have 385w would this be ok for one plant
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: newbie-grower]
#365229 - 02/16/10 12:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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are you talking actual wattage or equivilent? 385 actual watts is prob a bit over kill for one plant..
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: the man]
#365336 - 02/16/10 02:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i was talking about the equivilent watts iv just been diging though my cupboard and found some old seling roses ill set them up tomoz and post some more pics
iv established that i am going to need 3 sockets ill have a blue spec light and 2 red light giving me total summit like 500w would this be ok for plant each post i read contradicts it self in someway
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: newbie-grower]
#365345 - 02/16/10 03:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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whats the actual wattage and lumens of the bulbs?? equivalent means nothing.
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: the man]
#365346 - 02/16/10 03:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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generally for CFL's equivalent is just actual watts times about 4
so a 100W eq bulb uses around 23 actual watts
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: the man]
#365348 - 02/16/10 03:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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ow ok thanks for clearing that up im using
blue 65w bulb 4300 lumens
2 x 2700k warm lights (red)with are 14 watts each 769 lumens per lamp
in total i have 5838 lumens in a 1ft*1ft*5ft part of my room at this point can any one advise me on what diffrent plants are the least smellier and a relativly easy first time grow
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: newbie-grower]
#365402 - 02/16/10 06:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey just a little update iv been talking to my mate who has told me about his last grow and he said i should clean the area iv done it but can i ask y would i need to clean it ? bacteria? i dont know
back to my lighting now though i have finished the fixtures and can now hold 5 cfl lamps im ordering the blue one from the post above and i have some red lights here atm that i brought with have 769 lumins each and i would like confermation on what watt rating i go buy as in how mutch light. i read that i need 100w for say 1x1 grow room but do i go buy the energy saving bit with says 14 watts or by the light wats with is 60 this has really confused me and what would u say a 1x1 room would need lighting wise
thanks
Rob
Sorry to be such a pain
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: newbie-grower]
#365546 - 02/16/10 07:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Go by the actual watts, anything else and you'll be seriously dissapointed with your grow.
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: DieselB]
#365573 - 02/16/10 08:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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you put 2 45 watters on top(or you have a 65 now). then put 2 of those smaller watters ya got there on the sides. and it will be fine, just spin every couple days or day. keep top lights horizontal, as this will put of the most light towards your plant. keep lights as close as possible to plant. dont wast money ordering you can get cfls at wally world.
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: the man]
#365779 - 02/16/10 10:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey thanks every one for getting back to me
at the moment i have 4 light fitting in a cross shape like eg
(2)
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(2)--(1)--(2)
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(2)
(1) = 65w Blue Spectrum 6400k CFL
(2) = 14w 2700k warm light CFL
Im open for suggestions im thinking about changing 1 of the "(2)" for a
65w red spectrum Cfl what do you think
and the tmp of my grow area at night is ruthly 15c is this ok i havent got the lights in there yet though so that might boost the temprature a bit when thay are in and also where do i take the temrature from near the top of the plant when its in there or just the surounding area i dont know if saw in the pic's but im growing in my shed with has heating,electric,pc etc its like my little get away area this would have no adverse effects on my grow would it
thanks again
Rob
could u sergest any easy beginer seed with as little smell as possible
and any idear's on weather or not a homemade carbon filter would work
what's the average distance the smell would travel eg just the entrance to shed or next door's garden or down the road
i talk .. well type to mutch lol im sorry just trying to gather as mutch information as possible b4 i start my First grow !! 
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: DieselB]
#365803 - 02/16/10 10:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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DeiselB Said:Go by the actual watts, anything else and you'll be seriously dissapointed with your grow.
What horrible advice, don't listen to this.
You measure light output in lumens, and you want atleast 2,000-3,000 lumens per square foot for good growth. The more lumens you can put out per watt of power used; the better. Thats why HID lighting is so efficient.
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: AKSE]
#365807 - 02/16/10 10:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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plants don't photosynthesize lumens, those are a unit for measuring light visible to human eyes. numerous other factors contribute to the photosynthetic potential for a light source than simply lumens
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#365814 - 02/16/10 11:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Harry_Ba11sach said:
plants don't photosynthesize lumens, those are a unit for measuring light visible to human eyes. numerous other factors contribute to the photosynthetic potential for a light source than simply lumens
I said lumens were a measurement of light output. I guess I should have said that a high lumen to watt ratio is one of the reasons HID lights are a good choice. I was referring to efficiency more on a power usage scale to light produced.
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: AKSE]
#365826 - 02/16/10 11:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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ahh indeed. HID lights are in fact the best for plants in numerous categories, and lumens are generally a good measure anyway because the lumen data is available for practically every bulb in existence
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: AKSE]
#365843 - 02/16/10 11:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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ahh ok so how many lumens would u surgest for 1 plant in a 1.5x1.5 area at the moment i have 5669 lumens in there total but im worried becase its made up with majoraty blue spec in the veg stage should i use blue and red spec iv been reading around and people have said that i should use bouth duren veg and outher people say only to use blue and then go over to red when flowering
or could i use red and blue through out the hole grow from veg to flower
what would you people say about the smell because iv been told to take it in to consideration or get a carbon filter is the smell really that bad of a issue with 1 plant and how far does the smell travel
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: newbie-grower]
#365849 - 02/16/10 11:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Use blue spectrum 6500k bulbs during vegging. Use 3000k bulbs during flowering. Don't bother mixing them. The smell from one plant will not be very overwhelming you won't need a carbon scrubber.
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: AKSE]
#365868 - 02/17/10 12:13 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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AKSE said:
Use blue spectrum 6500k bulbs during vegging. Use 3000k bulbs during flowering. Don't bother mixing them. The smell from one plant will not be very overwhelming you won't need a carbon scrubber.
Why do you say not to bother mixing them? Is there really a significant advantage from switching spectrums to warrant the purchase of multiple sets of bulbs? Warm white CFLs seem to have a better lumen to watt ratio than the bluer CFLs.
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: Ojom]
#365871 - 02/17/10 12:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I suppose if you already have both kinds of bulbs you could use them both while vegging and flowering if you desired, would for sure be more lumen output. However if someone was going to go out to buy new bulbs, I would say buy the right spectrum for the stage of growing (blue for veg, red for flowering). I wouldn't reccommend veggings under only 3000k bulbs, and I also wouldn't recommend flowering under 6500k bulbs. So yes, I would say it's worth it to get different spectrum bulbs.
Your question brings me to one I have thought over time and time again. Is it more important to high a high intensity light and less than ideal spectrum? Or is it better to have a less powerful light and ideal spectrum? I feel like the more light the better, as long as it's not some crappy light like an incandescent or halogen.
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: AKSE]
#365875 - 02/17/10 12:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm doing a grow right now to prove a point that you don't need the best shit.
I'll link when I get pictures, the seedling isnt worth showing at this point but it is looking very nice
Anyway, I'm using a hps 100 watt security lamp, 2 70 watt(300 equal incand.)...Some miracle grow the organic(with perlite)...Some general stuff around the place...
Anway...it should prove a point
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: AKSE]
#365892 - 02/17/10 01:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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AKSE said:
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DeiselB Said:Go by the actual watts, anything else and you'll be seriously dissapointed with your grow.
What horrible advice, don't listen to this.
You measure light output in lumens, and you want atleast 2,000-3,000 lumens per square foot for good growth. The more lumens you can put out per watt of power used; the better. Thats why HID lighting is so efficient.
I think you seriuosly misunderstood me and that very well could have been my fault..
He asked a question of which measurement between two forms would be the better. I answered , "anything else" didn't mean "Don't use any other info on lights when deciding, only look at actual watts." He was asking a "This or That" question, plain and simple. So thats how I answered.
At any rate, I really don't appreciate the fact that you are starting out my reputation here as someone who gives horrible advice.. And not to listen to me? You could have simply said that; It would be a good idea to consider light output also, as well as other important factors.
I am not hostile nor do I intend to be, I just don't like when people who know absolutely NOTHING about me try to discredit me on basis of one sentence.. Thanks.
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: DieselB]
#365895 - 02/17/10 03:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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dont worry about it dude. he is on the cusp of intelligence, and wishes to share his half thoughts as gospel. ( id take intensity over spectrum any day.. well except for the worst of spectrum bulbs) haha well if everyone could have there cake and eat it too.
when using bulbs not intended or growing, if you use multi colored ones you have a better chance of covering all useful wavelengths.
original poster: do your reading so you can form your own opinions, and dont rely strictly on us. As you will always get differing in opinions on alot of subjects, it is ultimately better to know why you are doing something so you know why it didnt work as you hoped and be able to tweak. sorry its late...ramble
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: the man]
#365938 - 02/17/10 08:17 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright I think this is appropriate in the context here. Sorry for the shameless self promotion but it seems like you all need to read this......
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/251624#251624
ALL cfls, half blue, half warm white, 3 different wattages. I literally just bought any bulbs I could find piece by piece as I went through. Scroll to the last page if you're curious how that turned out for me....
and here's a little preview
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: DieselB]
#366134 - 02/17/10 02:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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DieselB said:
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AKSE said:
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DeiselB Said:Go by the actual watts, anything else and you'll be seriously dissapointed with your grow.
What horrible advice, don't listen to this.
You measure light output in lumens, and you want atleast 2,000-3,000 lumens per square foot for good growth. The more lumens you can put out per watt of power used; the better. Thats why HID lighting is so efficient.
I think you seriuosly misunderstood me and that very well could have been my fault..
He asked a question of which measurement between two forms would be the better. I answered , "anything else" didn't mean "Don't use any other info on lights when deciding, only look at actual watts." He was asking a "This or That" question, plain and simple. So thats how I answered.
At any rate, I really don't appreciate the fact that you are starting out my reputation here as someone who gives horrible advice.. And not to listen to me? You could have simply said that; It would be a good idea to consider light output also, as well as other important factors.
I am not hostile nor do I intend to be, I just don't like when people who know absolutely NOTHING about me try to discredit me on basis of one sentence.. Thanks.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, however I think you can see how your sentence was somewhat confusing, atleast to me. I now see you were answering his question of whether to use the watts the light actually uses, or the equivelent in wattage of incandescent lights that they replace. My apologies!
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the man said:he is on the cusp of intelligence, and wishes to share his half thoughts as gospel.
Can you say hipocrite? Misunderstandings happen frequently on the internet. Don't add fuel to the fire by insulting me.
Edited by AKSE (02/17/10 02:44 PM)
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Re: Hey need a little help to get started (lighting) [Re: AKSE]
#366255 - 02/17/10 04:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Literally, the whole internet is a big misunderstanding.. The emoticons don't cut it, there's no way to communicate as effectively as we could in person. Honest truth, some of you may know what I'm talking about if you've been to ANY local forum meets. You come to find out that the biggest dick on the website is the polite and shy one at the meet.
For that reason I think everyone that wants to be a part of, and participate in a forum (No matter what the content).. Needs to try and be reasonable and forgiving because there are quite a few good people who have a hard time getting across their message, especially when their grammar and punctuation isn't up to par.
Back on topic.
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