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 Harry_Ba11sach
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 Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household  [Re: Frizzleman]
#356016 - 01/31/10 01:23 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm using GH flora micro and flora bloom as my nutrients at about half strength for what I use in flowering. I think it's about 500-600ppms, but basically it's the same formula I use in my hempys....
the pH is hard to tell exactly, but using one of those vials where you drop the indicator into solution it's reading perfectly yellow... which I'm interpreting as almost exactly 6. should I lower it even a tad further?
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#356017 - 01/31/10 01:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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oh and also, I have the far side propped up about 3 inches above the tank side so it's draining very quickly. maybe my pump is too pussy? I have a 550gph pump with 10 sprayer heads.... wondering if I need to have them shooting harder so it makes a finer mist or something
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 TheShroomJew23
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#356047 - 01/31/10 03:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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My rule of thumb is 20gal per mister but what you have to remember is your pump power is in gph but you have your misters running at minph since they need constant pressure not slow buildup like in a ebb&flo. Your pump should be good though.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#356049 - 01/31/10 03:47 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
TheShroomJew23 said:
minph
Minutes per hour?
Also, I'm glad you think my pump is sufficient... I didn't really want to go buy another one. What's your thoughts on the droopiness? should I get an airstone, chiller, timer?
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Edited by Harry_Ba11sach (01/31/10 03:49 PM)
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Frizzleman
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#356063 - 01/31/10 03:59 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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dude my pump is only 190 gph....and somebody keeps deleting my posts damnit!
I dont have an airstone either, you should use foxfarms
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Frizzleman]
#356133 - 01/31/10 08:19 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dude I was so baked when I wrote that, it shouldnt be minutes per hour it should be gallons per minute
That droopiness is a real cluster fuck, your temp is reasonable and your pump is good, I would say check your pH and see also if your under feeding maybe. The only other thing I could say is maybe your spray isnt fine enough so you would have to run your pump like 2min on 5min off
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#356825 - 02/02/10 01:42 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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any recommendations on where to find a timer that can do 1 minute increments that's not $100? Also, I thought droopy leaves was a sign of over feeding, I was prepared to back off my nute solution a little bit but you're saying I should step it up?
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#356836 - 02/02/10 02:11 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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nope, I wouldn't step it up, it looks like overfeeding to me too, which I thought might have been because water level in the chambers was high like a deep water culture......
i'm really confused here....you should be seeing MASSIVE growth. The pump and how long they are on should not be an issue really unless this strain just really does not like to be sprayed 24/7. I found this timer, not sure how good it is and its a bit pricey
http://www.hydroponics.net/i/131237
If I were you I would try from seed
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Frizzleman]
#356841 - 02/02/10 02:23 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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those plants did come from seed. they're growing, but not super fast. I have them in rapid rooters.... I'm wondering if the rapid rooters retain too much water or something....
here's the most recent picture of them. As you can see they're definitely growing, but not nearly at the rate I would expect from an aero system. also sorry these pics are so blurry, it's currently lights off so my cam had a hard time focusing, but I think the pics are good enough for you to see how they're progressing.
  
I've found tons of timers like that but I don't really want to drop $120 on a timer just to hope that it works. I need to KNOW that's the solution before I can justify spending that kind of cash right now.
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#356843 - 02/02/10 02:27 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I also wanted to add that the plants are not nearly that yellow looking in real life. I think that's just another byproduct of my camera being confused by dark picture times
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#356849 - 02/02/10 02:45 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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The rapid rooter plugs may be the issue, im thinking that to much water retention in those plugs could be hurting the roots a bit, I have foam plugs for mine, which were not easy to start seeds in but they dont hold all that much water....
I dont blame you for not wanting to drop money when you are not positive that is definitely the problem. I think the spray might be a bit to strong...my sprayers dont spray that hard so my roots have tiny little hairs on them, I see yours looks a little like string rather then a network of smaller and smaller roots.....is there a way to weaken that pump for a few days to see if that is the problem?
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Frizzleman]
#356852 - 02/02/10 02:54 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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hmmm.... I'm not sure to be honest. it really doesn't spray that hard though.... maybe I can just angle all the sprayer heads to point away from the roots so that the water splashes off the walls and loses some velocity before hitting the roots. I'll give that a try I guess
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Frizzleman]
#356908 - 02/02/10 05:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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alright friz, someone on ICmag claims to have figured it out. and looking at the pics of our two grows it seems he may be right.
the only difference between our two setups right now is that mine have the neoprene inserts over the net pots and yours don't. he was claiming that this suffocates the roots and causes them to look like they're not breathing properly even if your res is completely okay in every way. very interesting. I just took them off so we'll see in a couple days.
I got you some root porn too 
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#356912 - 02/02/10 05:51 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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hmmm that is a good idea, I was pretty stumped lol, I hope this works out for you......and now im hoping to get 2 zs off of mine, lol
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Frizzleman]
#356913 - 02/02/10 05:52 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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like I said before, any less than 2z and I would be completely stunned. especially if you found the funding for another 400W in there.
I'll definitely keep everyone posted on how they look in a day or two. hopefully this solves it, but if not I guess I'll mess around with pump timing some more
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#357142 - 02/03/10 09:52 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im not really worried about funding, I just dont have the room or ability to keep it cool enough in there, its a pretty small space. I hope that your babies start to do better now, im sure they will
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Frizzleman]
#357159 - 02/03/10 10:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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They don't look too much better this morning but it's only been about 12 hours so I'm wondering if they maybe just need more time to fully recover. There's been a little improvement but I have to admit they're not quite as good as I thought they would be at this point. I'm going to go to the store today and get a pump timer and some better sprayer heads to hopefully keep the roots a bit happier
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Frizzleman
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#357164 - 02/03/10 10:31 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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what kind of spray heads to you have? I forgot to ask, I am using 360 from the ez cloner system.....
maybe put an airstone in your res also
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Frizzleman]
#357175 - 02/03/10 10:59 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just added an airstone a couple days ago but I'm wondering if my air pump might be a little anemic for my res size. I don't know what kind I have, some 360 sprayers but they're dark green. I have one lighter green one that I bought at a different location and instead of the flat bottom it has a 45 degree angle and the increased flow rate from the angled bottom creates a totally different spray pattern. I'm gonna go pick up about 20 of those and see what comes of it.
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Frizzleman
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Re: Monday afternoon at the Ba11sach household [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#357190 - 02/03/10 11:35 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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sounds good man, keep me posted!
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