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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #365142 - 02/16/10 10:33 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Dude I'm loving that little DIY reflector and assembly... Fucking lol I love it.

I'm pretty much speechless.  It looks great.  But scrap the drip system, just pay attention and hand water when needed or that thing will be overwatered in no time.


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #365457 - 02/16/10 07:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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to be honest, you'd be better off just letting the plant dry out completely for 2-3 days between waterings at this point to encourage root growth. it seems pretty likely to me that your plant will end up over-watered even at 1 drip per 10 seconds. the worst issue here is not that the plant growth might be stunted (in all honesty the plant itself will most likely look fine), but root growth is encouraged only when the plant is stressed for water. if the plant is too wet then the roots won't have incentive to grow and your yields and flowering time will both suffer as a result.




That is EXACTLY what I was going to say.  :thumbup:


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: Inverted]
    #365458 - 02/16/10 07:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

My containers are only moist for 1 out of every 4 days... lol

It really does get oxygen to the roots better and the roots go searching for moisture, then you feed them and they explode.  I repeat this cycle over and over and it gives you a much faster growth rate overall.


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #369316 - 02/21/10 01:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like heat stress, and starving for some nitrogen.  That's just IMO though.

When I am hardening plants off outside the leaves taco up like that until they are used to the higher intensity light.  Did you set her in the sun when it was shining?  That would do it, so would having the CFL's too close.  Other than that the yellowing from the cotelydons up to the bottom leaves of the plant would be a clear indication that she is hungry for some food.  I'd say she is big enough for a 1/4-1/2 strength feeding, depending on what you are feeding with.

Looks like a good pace though!  A fast grower that's for sure.  :thumbup:


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #369568 - 02/21/10 05:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

How close do you have your CFL's.  I noticed a lot of minor problems that all stemmed from having my lighting rig too close.  It's not the intense light that fucks with them, rather it's the ambient heat put off by the bulbs being that close.  I used to grow plants within 2", but recently changed that to at least 3-4 inches.  I get the same tight internode distances, but the plants seem to be less stress and like Pha3ro said, the new growth tends to look wrinkled and ragged until it grows out a little bit, and become smooth and darker green.  I notice the new growth to be lighter yellow than the old growth when my plants are rapidly growing.  It's the taco leaves and yellowing at the bottom that has me concerned.

Try backing the lights off by an inch or two and let her be.


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #369654 - 02/21/10 06:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Oh yeah sorry I forgot to answer those.

Yea it's pureed and filtered, so it's like a really thick liquid, that smells like dead fish.  :lol:

Those NPK values are very low compared to chemical ferts.  For example my chemical bloom fertilizer is 9-50-10. 

They sell it at my local hydro store.  http://www.midwesthydroponics.com/nutrients/multi-purpose-nutrients/neptune-s-harvest-fish-seaweed.html


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: Dephect]
    #370099 - 02/21/10 11:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You guys should probably move this conversation elsewhere.

I'm not saying I don't enjoy the content, but you are cluttering his grow journal quite a bit, and some people like to keep it on topic, just :2cents:


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: Dephect]
    #370133 - 02/21/10 11:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

No problem, Just doing my job as a Mod... :wink:


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #371115 - 02/22/10 08:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Good, I use that same fertilizer to supplement my organic fish and seaweed.  It worked just fine.

I didn't read your whole post yet but damn man, she is starving for some food, badly.  FEED HER!  Fill a gallon, and put 4 full dropperfulls in there and give her a good soaking.  Please before it gets any worse.

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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: Inverted]
    #371116 - 02/22/10 08:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

And make sure you SHAKE THE BOTTLE before use.


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Re: All CFL Semi-Automated Closet Project (FirstGrow)(Pre-Seeds) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #371480 - 02/23/10 02:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Oh man your plant is looking rough and I can't diagnose exactly what's wrong.

Yes the 4 dropperfull amount is just this one time.  I do 2 droppers for every feeding.


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #371704 - 02/23/10 05:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well it honestly doesn't look any worse in the last pictures, which is a good thing.  Each update was getting progressively worse, and it seemed to stop, so hopefully in the next 2-3 days you will start to see more green and less yellow.  I'm almost positive this all stems from a lack of nutrients from the start.  I had a plant that was very healthy after a week, but quickly showed deficiencies which I overlooked, and after another week my plant was nearly dead, with NO green leaves left.  I gave it a GOOD feeding of the Schultz and within a few days she started coming back to life, and all of the new growth was bright nice green.

I can't stress enough that this is not as easy as it looks, like you said.  Most people just think you plant a seed in soil, water it and give it light and VIOLA, NUGGIES!!!  Sadly it's not even close to that easy.

You need to practice your patience, and maybe leave her unattended for a couple days.  Sometimes that seems to help when there is nothing else you can do.


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: Triptonic]
    #374150 - 02/26/10 03:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Now it's wilting because it's dry... :facepalm:

That's why I don't use clay pots, they wick all of the moisture out of your soil.  It was looking overwatered before, but now it's looking underwatered.

You have too many fans blowing on that lady.  You should only need one that oscillates to circulate the air around since you seem to have an open grow space.  Constant breeze like that could lower the RH too much.

Edit:  I'm not 100% on my diagnosis just to let you know, it just looks like that to me.


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: Inbred_gimp]
    #374188 - 02/26/10 04:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Less air circulation less food more water your rate of transpiration is too high for ur water intake, pretty much she is evaporating more water from her leaves than she can with the amount she's taking up from the roots, make sure your fans not pointed directly on that little lady




That's basically what I was getting at, thank you for elaborating! :thumbup:


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: Inverted]
    #374191 - 02/26/10 04:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Although I think she is fine on the feeding levels.  That was the first time he has given her food, and unless he ran a ton of water through the soil I really don't think he overfed with the recipe I gave him, because that was only 4 droppers and I have given them 7-8 with no burns.


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: Triptonic]
    #375031 - 02/28/10 08:35 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I can't help but feel there's another undiagnosed problem we're all missing....




That's what I'm thinking.  I've almost NEVER seen the symptoms that your girl is showing.  I'm pretty dumbfounded.


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Those leaves look way to dark to me.




Dark green is fine, some strains are much darker than others.  If the leaves were curling then I'd be concerned about N toxicity, but she's just not happy w/ something that's why they are sagging like that.  It is probably the picture also making it seem darker than it is.

I'm dying to figure this out, because these things are pretty uncommon, and I feel bad that it's happening on your first grow.  Don't be put off man, something's just awry.  It's not that fertilizer, I use the same shit, and have used it exclusively before and it was fine.


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: pha3r0]
    #376183 - 03/01/10 01:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I think what Inverted meant by this being uncommon is usually some one comes in with a dead on diagnosis and the problem goes away, no one has figured it out just yet and likely it's going to take time to correct itself. In the meantime just make sure she has everything she needs and not to much.




Yeah sorry I haven't been around lately to really concentrate so I'm sorry if some of my posts are confusing.

That is exactly what I meant.  Usually I can tell what it is after a few seconds of seeing it but I would REALLY have to be there to know exactly what's wrong.  Mostly I want to lift that fucking pot!!!  :lol:

It's hard to tell the moisture content w/out knowing the weight.  I keep my plants REALLY dry, and we use the same soil.  He's using FFOF, I believe.  It seems the drier I keep my soil, the better the root growth is because they search out every last drop, also the plants always appear the happiest when they are kept semi-dry most of the time.

I too think he needs to let the soil dry out all the way.  I bet the top half is dry and the bottom half is soaked...


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: Triptonic]
    #376188 - 03/01/10 02:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Wow you actually contributed and it made perfect sense!  :thumbup:

Just kiddin with ya man, I know you get nervous under the scope... It's all good.


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: Triptonic]
    #376199 - 03/01/10 02:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Nevermind, yes your welcome... haha


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Re: All CFL Semi-Auto Closet Project (FirstGrow)('Flower' Seed) [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #376489 - 03/01/10 08:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I mean I want to lift the container so I can get an idea of the moisture content of your medium, as well as see if the top is dry and the bottom not...  Clay pots have been known to cause problems.  My pots, 75% of the time feel nearly empty when I lift them, just to give you an idea of how dry I keep my soil...  My plants thrive in those conditions.


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