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 the scoop with poop? 
#122593 - 09/15/08 12:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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is there a general rule of what kind of poops ok, and what is not?
i am guessing just vegetarian and insect eaters would be best, right? ie not meat eaters like cats and such.
could i use snail poop?
bird, bat, cow/horse, worm etc are all used readily in horticulture....what about others? you would not believe how much snail poo i can gather in an afternoon!
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saltatory
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Chapter 4]
#122626 - 09/15/08 02:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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rabbit, sheep and pig manures are also good. i have no idea about snail manure but it might be like other herbivores or worms.
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DungenessDank
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: saltatory]
#122628 - 09/15/08 02:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont think snail poop would hurt too much, its probably a good source of nitrogen if you get enough.
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Chapter 4
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good thanks!
Pig poo is ok????? my wifes parents own a large pig farm......hmmmmm but it smells HORRIBLE!
is pig poop commonly used? i am thinking of an outdoor where this would be a nice alternative!
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Chapter 4]
#122902 - 09/16/08 05:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wouldn't pig poop have a lot of ammonia in it? I don't really know, but its an impression I had, and you'd have to be careful if that is the case, because they usually don't care for so much nitrogen in that form.
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saltatory
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Sirius]
#122917 - 09/16/08 07:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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all manure should probably be composted first and not used for more than 10-15% of the soil mixture.
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tenacioustornado
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: saltatory]
#126918 - 09/30/08 10:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if not composted pig manure will have way too much Nitrogen(same with horse) I believe I think the only one that you can use not composted is rabbit manure(unless you consider earthworm poo manure) maybe cow in small amounts. Do any of you guys use chicken poop I got some dried packaged stuff?
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eternitys_child
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i used rabbit poo for my experimental grow, but it started stinking up the entire room so i moved it outside and paid no attention to it; but the plant seemed to enjoy it!
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Chapter 4
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Quote:
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if not composted pig manure will have way too much Nitrogen(same with horse) I believe I think the only one that you can use not composted is rabbit manure(unless you consider earthworm poo manure) maybe cow in small amounts. Do any of you guys use chicken poop I got some dried packaged stuff?
i use commercially bought chicken poop for my farm, works GREAT! its "prepared" and put into pellets.....what they do i have no idea!
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t0ad
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Chapter 4]
#128091 - 10/02/08 04:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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chicken, bat, "seagull" or other "bird" for that matter generally has the goods as a standard item in each hydroponics store or garden center... Your plants will love you for bat guano during vegetation & the bird poo which is higher in P., than N & slightly higher levels of K.
You can even find bat guano that is aged, aged bat guano breaks down leaving a moderate amt of N but with high amts of P & standard sized amt of K.
I would think using farm animal poo (pigs, horse, cow) may harbor more bacteria then wanted. Good for shroomies, but would it be healthy for the root system? would think after a while garden may suffer parasites or something.
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Sirius
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: t0ad]
#128117 - 10/02/08 06:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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t0ad said:
I would think using farm animal poo (pigs, horse, cow) may harbor more bacteria then wanted. Good for shroomies, but would it be healthy for the root system? would think after a while garden may suffer parasites or something.
I don't know anything about this, but I have read about people sterilizing their soil, so I would imagine that doing so would counter it harboring bacteria. 
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: t0ad]
#128146 - 10/02/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sirius said:
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t0ad said:
I would think using farm animal poo (pigs, horse, cow) may harbor more bacteria then wanted. Good for shroomies, but would it be healthy for the root system? would think after a while garden may suffer parasites or something.
I don't know anything about this, but I have read about people sterilizing their soil, so I would imagine that doing so would counter it harboring bacteria.
T0ad, since you have a working knowledge of shroomies, it may be useful to know that in when gardeners make reference to sterilizing soil they don't mean it in the same way that we interpret it in mycology...the process is more like pasteurization rather than sterilization.
Even with sterilized poo, I wouldn't recommend using more than 15% by volume in your soil mix.
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Chapter 4
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chickens are farm animals....any particular reason chicken poo is better/safer/cleaner or which ever than say cow or pig?
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t0ad
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Chapter 4]
#128823 - 10/04/08 03:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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T0ad, since you have a working knowledge of shroomies, it may be useful to know that in when gardeners make reference to sterilizing soil they don't mean it in the same way that we interpret it in mycology...the process is more like pasteurization rather than sterilization.
Even with sterilized poo, I wouldn't recommend using more than 15% by volume in your soil mix.
right, solarizing the soil where you put the soil in a plastic bag tied? leave it outside on a nice sunny day isn't that how it's done? I know that helps to kill any kind of pests in it
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tenacioustornado
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: t0ad]
#128851 - 10/04/08 06:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I found out pig manure should not be used composted or not because of potential parasites.
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 captain.koons
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you should try snail poop in at least one pot :o
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Chapter 4
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I've got an aquarium with 30 snails pooping away....be another few weeks until i have a small baggie of snail shit 
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Chapter 4]
#129446 - 10/06/08 06:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i've decided to do a side by side experiment....what kind of poop do you guys think would be worthy candidates?
i have easy access to chicken, pig, dog (dog poo is great for fertilizing btw), worm, snail fish. no cows here.
any thoughts? i am going to gather some up and sun bake it and sterilize it and post a comparison with clones in coco. be neat to see what does what and lacks what.
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captain.koons
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Chapter 4]
#129450 - 10/06/08 08:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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are you going to benchmark vegetative growth?
I never knew dog poo was great for fertilizing, I'd think it would be a lot like human poo so I'd never consider it as a fertilizer cantidate.
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tenacioustornado
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yes same with pig parasites could be in both. Have no idea about snail, but that's a cool experiment if you got enough.
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from cutting to flower...or death...till the end either way....i want to see what they can do on a single type of poo...side by side...efficiencies wont be fixed, cause then we know what that poo lacks...or has too much of.
dog poo is a great fert, not sure if its enough for pot though...the thing is it needs to be left in the sun until it turns white....baking with high heat is a good idea to avoid bacteria....there are a couple farms here (ornamental plants) that use dog poo for their plants, and i must say their plants are nothing short of spectacular!
i have got pig, chicken and dog poo already, just letting it "cure" now...i got about 50 african land snails eating me out of house and home, should have a good baggie soon enough.
big problem is i only have enough space for 5 1-2gallon pots. so its not going to be a very conclusive experiment.
ironically i was reading this and was thinking about bat poo and people using it...then this fella flew into my living room and hit the fan (which was on high)...poor little guy is pretty dazed, but he has a shoe box with a towel and is hanging in it now...so should be ok soon wonder how to collect bat poo if there are no caves they live in here.....??????
 
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captain.koons
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Chapter 4]
#129593 - 10/06/08 02:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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where do you live? where I live i've only seen a wild bat twice. 
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t0ad
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dude if you wanna handle dog poo and find a way to dry it and bake it for a few days well then be my guest... we'll just call you the dog poo guy from now on, ahaha!
j/k. 
Dog poo = no good, there is no nutrients in it, just whatever you are feeding that dog. Which sometimes isn't even good for them! seriously though, good luck w/ that.
p.s. cool bat
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tenacioustornado
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: t0ad]
#129689 - 10/06/08 08:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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theres prob decent amount of nitrogen in dog poo who knows I wouldn't bother cause I wouldn't wanna handle it, or be near it. I had a friend out in the country who had 2 bats somehow get into his house kinda of a surprise we were just watching TV then outta nowhere we see a bat flying around the living room.
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Chapter 4
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ya lol...thats what happened...i was on the computer and this thing flew in, then BAM right into the ceiling fan...he was gone this morning, so i guess hes ok Koons, i am in Asia, i see hundreds fly around my garden at night....getting all them damn moths and whatever else. i thought most of canada/usa had bats...just look around street lamps at night where theres lots of bugs and kind of in the country. i see a lot camping as well.
about dog poo....if you don't think i am weird enough already, i actually pay for it! the rate the plants grow with it is very impressive...although in fairness the farms i see it used are all cacti and succulent (aloe and agave farms), so not aggressive growers.
i got 2 dogs and they shit in a concrete pad we left for them, so i can jsut let the crap sit there until white and handling ain't no biggy. its not THAT disgusting....way nicer to deal with than a dirty diaper in my opinion!!! i am far more concerned about handling (not really in my hand) bird poo than certain mammals like dogs.
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81renaissance
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Chapter 4]
#129829 - 10/07/08 12:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seriously, for my mycology hobby, I hand process literally hundreds of pounds of horse poo...in the long run, its all dirt.
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captain.koons
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horse poo isn't bad it's hardly digested it's like handling what they eat :p it's not bad at all if it's already been dried on the field
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tenacioustornado
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yeah horse poo has is commercially available on farms and some stores high nitrogen so should be composted/aged.
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i think pretty much all poo should by aged....just makes things easier...the sun is great in so many ways. i went to get some pots today and stopped by one of the farms that uses dog poop....it was the funniest thing i ever saw.
he is about 70 years old, and has a ton of large metal pans with dog crap baking in the sun (3 months he tells me). so i go there and i see this big propane tank hooked up to a simple burner on the ground and a wok that was a good 3 feet wide....fill with dog shit as he was flipping it around. classic, wish i had my camera!!!!
anyway, i felt bad for laughing so hard when i was there, so i bought another bag of it lol.
got a bucket of pig poo from the inlaws today....not sure i like this idea as much anymore 
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tenacioustornado
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Chapter 4]
#130180 - 10/08/08 12:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm laughing and I didn't even see the guy flipping the dog crap:Dand he sells it that's weird. Why do you not like the idea anymore because the pig crap smells real bad,probably loaded with nitrogen though. I know they have a special place in Sweden where they use aged human piss on a farm and supposedly in the old ages they used to use it as flower fertilizer aged in a big closed barrel so it didn't smell the whole street up.
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Sirius
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This thread is positively disgusting. 
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captain.koons
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Sirius]
#130324 - 10/08/08 09:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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do people actually use piss as a fertilizer? I thought that was a red neck kinda thing or a myth.
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Chapter 4
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tenacioustornado, ya he sells it...quite a lot too cause it works REALLY well...we shall see how it is for pot...the finished cooked dog poo product looks nothing like poo...it slight like pumice and very porous and crumbles like a hard heavy soil filled with air holes. no smell (his trays sure stink though).
i don't like the pig poo idea because....well...you try bringing home 2 5 gallon buckets of liquid pig shit home (10 KM) on a scooter....oddly, nobody looked at me strange...me wonders about these simple village folk.
Sirius, admit it man....you wouldn't be here if it wasn't at least a little bit interesting i mean, if there was no poo, all/most plant life would die.
koons. last year i peed a few times in my large (100+gallon) rivea pot...next day plant dead...pee is pretty potent...watering it down (that doesn't mean by drinking more beer) would be wise i think....personally i don't like the idea of pee in my plants, cause pee is stinky in the sun.
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captain.koons
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: Chapter 4]
#130328 - 10/08/08 10:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's cuz of the ammonia. it's sterile and has nutrients otherwise
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BlargIAmDead
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Urine contains nitrates which CAN be very good for you plant watered down. They also promote bacteria and your pee is sterile. I guess google "pee, compost" and see what pops up .
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captain.koons
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Re: the scoop with poop? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#130879 - 10/09/08 06:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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my pee contains a lot of toxins that could kill my plants, I'll stick to buying fertilizer.
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stinkbuttdog
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I'll soon be using horse poo... actually it's horse/worm poo... fed with sand, rotten apples, egg shells and pruned buddha foliage. Also a little bit of newspaper. The worms love it! I expect to try some tea from an earlier, more complex mix soon. Worm poo is supposed to be wonderful for root structure and over all healthy development.
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